Satan's biggest accomplishment are non-believers?

Question

To those who don't, specifically, believe in hell or Satan, what is your counter-argument when a Christian tells you that Satan's biggest accomplishment is having people believe he doesn't exist?

Answer 1

If Satan actually existed, his greatest accomplishment was inspiring a book and persuading billions of people (Jews, Christians & Muslims) that he was "God."

Answer 2

Actually Satan’s biggest accomplishment is all the ignorance, hatred, sexual tensions, and the inability to accept other people that is practiced by most religions.

Satan has taken what should be a good moral code and a guide to live your life and turned it into a method to destroy society.

Wars can be solved by conflict or diplomacy, but religious conflicts can only be solved by the absolute dissolving of that religion (which rarely happens). The Roman Empire had many gods; a lot of them were based on the Greek gods. They persecuted the Christians not because they hated them, but because the Christians hated anyone who was not a Christian. Thus becoming the first intolerant religion. There was to be no peace between the Roman Empire and the Christians until Rome gave up. Before Rome fell the bible was written, in an attempt to calm down the Christians, in a convention called by a pagan Roman ruler. Roman tolerance for the Christians only happened in the later days of the Empire when it was in its final stages of decline and death. Before Christianity could get a firm foothold Rome had to be destroyed.

The Moslem religion, according to the Koran, is a tolerant religion, but its practice is far from tolerant today. That’s because many of their schools that only teach the Koran and hate; they actually make the students memorize the Koran before they can read it. In my opinion that is the height of stupidity. Not the religion, the misuse of it.

Look at all the killing in Iraq, a virtual civil war, between the Sunnis, and the Shiites. Their reason for the struggle is based only on legends, with no recorded history of the events. They argue over the succession to leader of the Moslem people after the death of Muhammad. Shiites claim that the new Caliph was not elected, as he should have been, and he persecuted the Sunnis starting the civil war. The Sunnis say that the Caliph swore his loyalty to Muhammad, and that the civil war didn’t start until later. They can’t even agree on when the civil war supposedly started. Both "Saddam Hussein and The Shaw of Iran were brutal dictators. They had to be in order to hold a lid on the religious civil war.

When Christianity was brought to the New World it had started fragmenting leading to the many versions we have today. Until the Renaissance there was only one form of Christianity, the Roman Catholic Church. During the Renaissance man started to question everything, even their own religion. Since there were so many forms of Christianity in North America the new government had no choice but to be tolerant of all religions but, not so with the early colonists. The Spanish were famous for giving the natives they found the choice to convert to Catholicism or die, not much of a choice really. Spain fought with England over their differing religions, all of which were Christian. The Church of England was founded by Henry VIII, solely because the Catholic Church wouldn’t grant him a divorce.

Then look at the war in Ireland: the Protestants vs. the Catholics, a war well known for its violence. Protestants actually lead parades in Catholic neighborhoods to flaunt their power. The followed the traditional parade routes even though they knew it would only incite hatred and violence.

Then look at the various factions of Christianity: The Baptists don’t believe that the apostles (or other people) were given the gift of tongues. The Lutherans got their start when the German Monk Martin Luther posted a list of 100 grievances he had with his religion. He didn’t want to found a new religion. He just objected to the evil practices of the church, practices like Indulgences, where the Church sold rich people a document that would allow them to commit a sin. They needed the money to build their grand churches, so they could compete with the castles of the kings and queens. In the meantime the majority of the population, the serfs, were tied to the land and all but slaves in name.

Now look at the War against Japan. The Japanese needed more resources. When they were beaten by the US both countries soon became firm and steady allies. This wouldn’t have happened if a religious conflict got in the way.

Hitler used the persecution of the Jews to unite his people. He took a bankrupt, disarmed, and defeated country and made a serious bid for world conquest. Now Germany and the NATO countries, former enemies, are allies and friends. This wouldn’t have happened if a religious conflict got in the way, and Hitler’s most despicable crimes were religious based. How often do you hear that the Gypsies were also caught up in the Holocaust?

The Cold War sparked the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the space race, and years of spying and conflict. North Korea is still a problem country, but Russia can now be considered an ally. In fact Russia has asked to join NATO, an organization designed solely to stop the Soviet Union. The US “won” the war by promoting a better way to rule their people and a better economy and economic method. If there were religious issues involved then NATO would still be fighting the Cold War and Germany would never have been united.

The Chinese are still communist, but America has a working relationship with them and a highly successful economic relationship. Even though the democratic and communist governments are directly opposed to each other they can still get along. Of course if their differences were religious based then they would never have been able to get along.

The GREATEST threat to the world today is that posed by Organized Religions. Other problems can be worked out and solved, but religious problems can only be solved when one of the religions is destroyed.

Answer 3

I am a believer and I don't think that what you described is Satan's biggest accomplishment.

His biggest accomplishment is when he keeps a believer from spreading the Gospel to others (non-believers).

Answer 4

nothing begs the question. Satan's biggest accomplishment is having people believe God doesn't exist. Satan is everywhere u turn. Bars, they are the most common place you will find him. Strip joints, Video lottery places, etc.

Answer 5

With all due respect Satan exist for you because you NEED him to exist. It makes sense to YOUR life and put things in order for YOU. The reason I know there is no Satan is because God in his/her infinite wisdom, infinite love and infinite knowledge would NOT let such a thing as Satan exist or even a hell for that matter.

That is what I tell people. I don't feel like I am arguing with them when I say that, I feel like I am describing the laws of the universe and our creator's abundent and never ceasing love for us.

Answer 6

That satan doesn't exist and you have no proof that anything having to do with God does exist. Also I stopped believeing in God through logic and observation, if that's what you people think Satan is maybe more of you should be Satanists?

Answer 7

It depends on what group you are talking about. Many countries in Europe are majority atheists. If you are talking about the planet as a whole, not single religion has a majority. Christians make up about 1/3, and Muslims make up roughly 1/5 of the world. That is slightly over half. Atheists/agnostics are the next largest group, making up about 1/6 of the world, followed by Hindus at slightly under 1/6. The remaining 20% of the world constitutes Buddhist, Chinese Folk, Sikh, Judaism, and various indigenous religions.

Answer 8

That is a big accomplishment. However, an even bigger accomplishment of satan's is to tempt people who do believe into not acting accordingly. This is the worse sin and the bigger tragedy.

Answer 9

I try to explain to them that this idea of satan is a fantasy that is made up to scare little children.

In ancient Jewish tradition Satan is simply an angel doing the work that God assigned to Satan to do.

The word Satan means challenger. With the idea of Satan challenging us, or tempting if you will. This description sees Satan as the angel who is the embodiment of man's challenges. This idea of Satan works closely with God as an integral part of God plan for us. His job is to make choosing good over evil enough of a challenge so that it becomes clear to us that there can be only one meaningful or logical choice.

Contrast this to Christianity, which sees Satan as God's opponent. In Jewish thought, the idea that there exists anything capable of setting itself up as God's opponent would be considered polytheistic or setting up the devil to be an equally powerful polarity to god or a demigod.

Oddly, proof for The Christian satan/devil mythology is supposedly found in the ancient Jewish texts that were borrowed to create the bible. One can’t help but wonder how Christians came up with such a fantastically different interpretation of Gods assistant Satan in their theology.

Other hints about Satan’s role in human relations can be seen if you look at the name Lucifer. It meaning in the original tongue translates as Light bearer or light bringer. Essentially the bringer of enlightenment. The temptations of the Satan idea bring all of us eventually into Gods light. Hardly the Evil entity of Christian mythology.

Love and blessings
don

Answer 10

There is none, though I also think that Satan's biggest accomplishment can also be the forces of Evil, that although just a force sometimes can be very pernicious.

Answer 11

Satan doesn't exist! Christianity is ridiculous. Christianity being ridiculous is a strong counter-argument.