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I'm interested in this subject and would like to know all about it. No bible bashers please.

2006-08-02 23:45:07 · 23 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Sarah - to me a bible basher is someone who does not respect the bible - I do - I beliveve you may be getting mixed up with bible bashers and bible thumpers.

2006-08-03 04:46:48 · update #1

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In modern and late Medieval Christian thought, Lucifer is a fallen angel commonly associated with Satan, the embodiment of evil and enemy of God. Lucifer (who was supposed to be very beautiful) is generally considered, based on the influence of Christian literature and legend, to have been a prominent archangel in heaven (although some contexts say he was a cherub or a seraph), prior to having been motivated by pride to rebel against God. When the rebellion failed, Lucifer was cast out of heaven, along with a third of the heavenly host, and came to reside in the Hell. However, this common belief is not officially accepted by most Christian denominations, on the grounds that it exalts evil to an overly high position and is not directly supported by any passage in the Bible. Lucifer was originally a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the direct translation of the Greek eosphorus ("dawn-bearer"; cf. Greek phosphorus, "light-bearer") used by Jerome in the Vulgate. In that passage, Isaiah 14:12, it referred to one of the popular honorific titles of a Babylonian king; however, later interpretations of the text, and the influence of embelishments in works such as Dante's The Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, led to the common idea in Christian mythology and folklore that Lucifer was a poetic appellation of Satan...........

In the Vulgate, an early-5th-century translation of the Bible into Latin by Jerome, Lucifer occurs in Isaiah 14:12-14 as a translation of the Greek word heosphorus ("dawn-bearer"), an epithet of Venus. The original Hebrew text of this verse was הילל בן שחר (heilel ben-schahar), meaning "Venus, son of the morning" or "Venus, the brilliant one", a poetic epithet of the king of Babylon, comparable to many other titles used by kings throughout history, such as Louis XIV of France being called Le Roi Soleil ("The Sun King"). In Isaiah, this title is specifically used, in a prophetic vision, to reference the king of Babylon's pride and to illustrate his eventual fate by referencing mythological accounts of the planet Venus:

14:4 And you shall bear this parable against the king of Babylon, and you shall say, "How has the dominator ceased, has ceased the haughty one!
14:10 All of them shall speak up and say to you, 'Have you too become weak like us? Have you become like us?'
14:11 Your pride has been lowered into Gehinnom, the stirring of your psalteries. Maggots are spread under you, and worms cover you.
14:12 How have you fallen from heaven, Lucifer, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.
(Isaiah, Judaica Press Tanakh)
The Jewish Encyclopedia reports that "it is obvious that the prophet in attributing to the Babylonian king boastful pride, followed by a fall, borrowed the idea from a popular legend connected with the morning star".[1] However, this metaphorical "falling from the heavens" was later interpreted as a literal fall from heaven when the passage's original meaning was made opaque by retranslations and eventually forgotten.

Later Jewish tradition, influenced by Babylonian mythology acquired during the Babylonian captivity, elaborates on the fall of the angels under the leadership of Samhazai ("the heaven-seizer") and Azael (Enoch, book vi.6f). Another legend, in the midrash, represents the repentant Samhazai suspended star-like between heaven and earth instead of being hurled down to Sheol.

The Helel-Lucifer (i.e. Venus) myth was later transferred to Satan, as evidenced by the 1st-century pseudepigraphical text Vita Adae et Evae (12), where the Adversary gives Adam an account of his early career,[2] and the Slavonic Book of Enoch (xxix. 4, xxxi. 4), where Satan-Sataniel (Samael?) is also described as a former archangel. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, to fly in the air continually above the abyss.

P.s. I hope this partially answers your question. I am, by the way, an atheist.

2006-08-03 00:44:55 · answer #1 · answered by sleepyredlion 4 · 2 1

The first reference is found in Isaiah 14:12. "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!" Many people also see this as a reference to the Babylonian king, but one of the most popular interpretations is that of Lucifer. "O Day Star" is a literal translation from the Hebrew.

The thing about a lot of prophecy is that it can be interpreted in a myriad of ways. The references to Revelation are accurate as well; however, to say that Isaiah is merely talking about what happened in Revelation is misguided. Isaiah was written in about the 7th century B.C. while Revelation was written (by the apostle John on the island of Patmos) around 90-95 A.D.

2006-08-03 07:43:54 · answer #2 · answered by Swish 3 · 0 0

The book of Revelations, written on the one of the Greek islands by a lonely man Jude ... something. Lucifer, the name means 'light bringer' was the top angel and had the backing of 1/3 of the other angels to overthrow God and take the throne himself. His coup did not work and he and his pals were kicked out of heaven to crawl about on earth, some without form. Um? guess the book is a bit longer than that

2006-08-03 06:51:11 · answer #3 · answered by northcarrlight 6 · 0 0

It's plain 2 C he's down here with us now.
So it's gotta B in Revelations.
He was cast out B4 the start of the world wars & has been down here wreaking havoc ever since.
I'm not a bible-basher, but I do consider myself Christain but have no ties with Organised Religions.
In most of them, Man has re-written, modified & read in2 or out of Religious Text Exactly what they want it 2 B!

2006-08-03 06:56:11 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Lucifer appears only once in the bible : Isaiah: chapter 14 verse12

2006-08-03 09:36:14 · answer #5 · answered by selina24 1 · 0 0

Isaiah Ch14v11-12
Revelation 12:9
By the way some have answered you question stating that Jude wrote the book of Revelation... This is wrong... John wrote the book of Revelation, not Revelations (there is only one Revelation, and its the Revelation of Jesus Christ)...

2006-08-03 09:22:12 · answer #6 · answered by Paddy 3 · 0 0

The reference is in the book of Isaiah beginning in 14:11...."How art thou cast down O Lucifer, son of the morning. How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven. I will exalt mine throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation....I will be like the most High....."

2006-08-03 06:54:31 · answer #7 · answered by Irish1952 7 · 0 0

Revelations

2006-08-03 06:47:34 · answer #8 · answered by BackMan 4 · 0 0

Isiah 14:12 aparently!

2006-08-03 06:49:31 · answer #9 · answered by ehc11 5 · 0 0

The book of Revelation and it is also mentioned in many of the other Books as prophesy if you are interested keep on searching and you will find out all you need to know

2006-08-03 06:48:44 · answer #10 · answered by karen464916 4 · 0 0

The Apocryphal Book of Enoch gives a nice story, but this version isn't about Lucifer.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm

2006-08-03 06:49:59 · answer #11 · answered by aethermanas 3 · 0 0

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