As Jesus is a fictional character, he never lived & never died did he?

Question

No I suggest he exists only in the pages of some heavily faked-up books and in gullible peoples imaginations. Do you agree or disagree?

Reply to king_of_hyrule:
why do you christians consistently use abusive language when you have no reasonable argument to present?

Reply to Darius:
Josephus account is merely hearsay, as such it's totally unreliable.

reply to msscarlet47:
now you are just being ridiculous!

Reply to kepha31:
there are no eyewitness acoounts at all, what you say is quite untrue.

Reply again to king_of_hyrule:
stop calling me an idiot & a moron, it is not at all historical fact that Jesus existed, many would like you to believe that however as they have their careers to protect.

Answer 1

agree

Answer 2

Disagree. If Jesus never lived, that what event triggered the Christian revolution? Something happened that was so dramatic that millions of people dedicated theirs lives to this person. The original 12 (actually 500) disciples gave up their jobs and traveled around the world suffering persecution, beatings, stonings, whipping, and death - for a lie?

With 20 years of the crucifixion, the number of Jews within the Jerusalem region (100 miles of the city) who had converted to Christianity numbered over 3 million. These are people who lived through the time when Jesus was suppose to have lived and taught. Come on, your not going to get 3 million people to convert when they know full well the guy didn't exist, never taught, never walked the street and held meetings, and was never crucified. They LIVED RIGHT THERE. And those who did convert faced prison and even execution for doing it. Why if it was a lie?

The Christian church numbers into the millions before any of the books of the New Testament were ever written. Acts 12:25 tells about Paul and Barnabus' first mission trip, and how they took John Mark with them. That was because he was a personal witness to the dead and ressurection of Jesus Christ. The early disciples did not go anywhere preaching unless they had a personal eyewitness to Jesus with them. So we are suppose to believe that Mark, and the other disciples, knowingly went out and sacrificed their lives to tell a lie? It was only when the witnesses were nearing the end of their lives, and they knew the message had to be preserved that they put in down on paper.

But before that, the message had already covered the majority of the Roman Empire, coverting million, creating an underground church that as left its art on the walls of catacombs and caves across most of Europe and northern Africa.

No, the sudden, explosive, appearance of Christianity can not be explained unless something really happened to trigger it. It that something was not a real person by the Name of Jesus Christ who taught and did the things recorded about him, then what was it?

Answer 3

The question is totally insane.

There is more evidence that Jesus was a real live person than there is that Christopher Columbus sailed to the Americas in 1492. Grow a brain cell.

Even the most mindless uneducated bigots have no problem believing that the extant copies of Plato are authentic copies from Plato himself, and they are 1200 years apart.

Of New Testament extant manuscripts, the earliest go all the way back to around A.D. 130, though most are probably extant to the 3rd and 4th centuries. In any regard, this is remarkable. There is no other writing of antiquity where the copies are so close to the originals. I'm talking about MANY eye witness accounts.

So please, grow a brain cell.

Answer 4

There is no disagreeing or agreeing about it. It is historical fact that Jesus did exist, no one disputes it but idiots. Ask any Biblical scholar. Jesus is real.

*EDIT* RESPONSE TO ASKERS EDIT
How do I have not reasonable argument to present?! There is no argument! I wasn't being abusive, you would have to be an idiot to deny historical fact. Saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying the Holocaust never happened! LOOK IT UP you moron, Jesus DID exist. It's not disputed amongst scholars! It's not my fault you were born in ignorance and never had an education. It's historical fact that Jesus existed. And I don't believe I ever revealed to you wether or not I was a Christian. Jeez, you're a biggot.

Answer 5

The vast majority of historians and theologians have always believed in the reality of Jesus' life. The skeptical view ..."has always been held by a small minority of investigators, usually 'outsiders'." (i.e. non-theologians). 1 It was a group of French philosophers during the French Revolution in the late 18th century who first suggested that Jesus was a mythical character. 1 Bruno Bauer, a mid-19th century German theologian agreed. In part of his 4 volume set "Critique of the Gospels and History of Their Origin," he claimed that Jesus did not exist. 18 A subsequent next major skeptic was the English theologian John M. Robertson who wrote two books in the very early 20th century. 12, 20 More recent books on this topic date from 1957 to 1991 and were written by perhaps a half dozen authors. 21 G.A. Wells, a former professor of German at the University of London was one of the most prominent. He wrote a series of five books on this topic, arguing that Paul and other 1st century Christian leaders believed that Jesus had lived in their distant past, perhaps in the 2nd or 3rd century BCE.

Michael Martin discussed Jesus' existence in his 1991 book: "The case against Christianity," 18 He is a professor of philosophy from Boston University who examined the major beliefs of Christianity. He concluded that there was insufficient evidence to conclude that Jesus existed. Earl Doherty, writing in the Humanist in Canada magazine 1 believes that early Christian leaders saw Jesus as the Son of God who was a spiritual, not human being. He writes: "If Jesus was a 'social reformer' whose teachings began the Christian movement, as today's liberal scholars now style him, how can such a Jesus be utterly lacking in all the New Testament epistles, while only a cosmic Christ is to be found?" He wrote a book: "The Jesus Puzzle. Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?" 22 If Doherty's assessment is true, then Christianity would have many points of similarity to other contemporary religions in the Roman Empire - particularly Mithraism who also viewed their founder Mithra as spiritual rather than as an actual historical human being

Answer 6

Well, you are trolling for some Christian backlash.

NO one REALLY knows for sure if he existed or not.

There are other contemporary (as of 0-50 AD) sources of Jesus' existence but nothing to confirm he was *actually* the Son of God. The Bible does have some historical accuracies in it, believe it or not, but doesn't really prove anything important to Christianity as far as "magic" and "miracles".

They did not keep good records at that time and all people since then can do is to look back to what contempories said about him back then.
EDIT: As someone said below me, the vast majority of evidence is that he did exist. I personally do not know one way or the other. Whether or not he did exist, there are good morals to come out of what he says, regardless.

Answer 7

His existence or lack there of is an article of faith, pending any kind of revolutionary archaeological find.

Or, pending our deaths if the faith of the Christians is at least somewhat accurate.

I am not a Christian but believe in unconditional freedom of belief, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Atheist, Agnostic, Hindu, Bhuddist, Shinto, or any of the other religions and philosophies of the world's population (sorry if in my ignorance I omitted the name of your way of life - no harm will ever be intended by me).

The problems we see nowadays are not the result of the actions of the faithful of any belief - they are the actions of violent hypocrites who do not practice their own creed.

That includes the actions of BBS trolls who ask intimidating questions in order to try to upset people with "incorrect" beliefs.

YOU are the cause, troll. Your provocative language and your illiteracy are ample evidence of that.

Instead of cowardly, anonymous posts on a BBS like this, why not test your courage where trolls like yourself are fighting real battles somewhere? Pick any side - it doesn't matter, a troll by any religious name is just a troll, same as all the other ones.

Answer 8

Earthangel, Archimedes, Aristotle, Copernicus, DARWIN, Isaac Newton, Ben Franklin, they never lived and they never died did they? No, I suggest they exist only in the pages of some heavily faked up books and in gullible peoples imagination. Do you agree or disagree?

Answer 9

No one agrees with you if they know anything! Even the secular world knows that Jesus Christ lived. By the way the easter bunny is a fake made up character.

Answer 10

i think he was a real guy. there are sources outside of the bible that talk about a man most people assume is jesus. we of course cannot be 100% sure, but its a very good educated guess.

although he is mentioned as a rebel who it was feared would make the jews rebel against the romans. he wasn't the only "messiah" though. there were a few other jews who gave their lives to free israel. i think jesus was one of those people.

it was later when the gospels and christianity came about, written by old men after the fact. i think they distorted who jesus was and what actually happened in the early years C.E. in this way the bible is detrimental to us knowing the facts of the matter, we cannot be sure what is real and what is not. (i'm not talking about jesus rising form the dead or other matters of faith) was jesus betrayed by one of his own? did he in fact incite the jews to love one another instead of fighting the romans? if, like MLK he advocated peaceful resistance, would it have worked in ancient rome? these are questions few people ask.......but they are no less important to knowing who jesus was.

i think when we begin to see jesus as a man, trying to do human things, we see that it is entirely possible that he existed.

Answer 11

Disagree.