If Evolution were true...?

Question

Then let's see you intelligently answer these questions...

This might be the most oft asked question to athiests, but i have yet to see one intelligently answer it...

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Besides that, ponder these questions...
Is it possible to have a copy without there first being an original?
Can a complex system create itself?
Do blueprints draw themselves?
Does a house (or computer for that matter), build itself?
How come chimps never evolved?
Why is the most intelligent animal a bird?
How did gases form into solid matter?
Where did the gases come from?
What intelligence made them evolve into complex and intricate life forms?
Where did gravity come from?
What comprises the vacuum of "empty" space?
Why can't science discover the source of energy?
Why didn't ants evolve?
How did single-cell organisms evolve into complex and intricate organs like the eye, brain and nervous system?

Why would a self-sufficient single-celled organism evolve into one that's dependent on outside resources?

girth_03...God bless you Brother!
That was awesome! ;)

To the rest of you...most are nothing more than personal attacks by frustrated, intellectual wanna-be's.
There's one of them thinks he has it all figured out, as if he was there to observe it all over those supposed billions of years.
LOL...If the earth was 5 billion years old it'd been ground to dust a long time ago.
"A humanist with a plan, is like bee's making honey, then having no use for it"
:))

Speaking of "Natural Selection"...
If that proves MACRO-evolution, then why is it no one has ever observed one species changing into another?
If it NS true, then we'd have literally millions of varities of every species on earth.
Just the intermediate species alone would add-up to hundreds of millions of varities/species.
Good luck with that.
;)

Speaking of paying attention in science/biology class...
My teacher would get so frustrated over my questions, that his face would get red in anger, he'd snap his pencil in his hand, and he'd often just send me out of the classroom...all the time evading answering me.
:))
Next?

"No.But how does that prove anything either way?You can't create a "copy" without an original.But in this day and age you can create an original without a copy."

Then where'd all those fake gods come from Leroy?
Yeeehaw!
You just proved the existance of God!
Good job ole boy!
;)

"The egg. Right after it evolved from whatever laid it."

You call THAT an intelligent answer?
LOL...i think my dog could give a more intelligent answer :))
Good luck with that.
NEXT!?

"I've got another one. How can the ultimate and the most complex system (God) create himself out of nowhere?"

Well, i've studied philosophy, biology, religion, logic and reason. And even logic and reason will tell you that there always has to be a starting point.
;)
Otherwise we have idiots saying that the "big bang" created a universe that collapsed and caused another "big bang", that collapased...and so on, and so on.
Which leaves you with the same arguement.
Nice try Einstein.
NEXT!?

"1. The chicken I'd imagine, because logically, in the process of evolution, whatever you would have called it before would have to develop into the stage of existence that would allow it to lay eggs...which we call chickens today."

Then where are all the intermediate fossils?
There should be BILLIONS of them!
But the reality is...there isn't even ONE.
Good luck with that. ;)
NEXT!?

"Evolution solves the chicken and egg problem. Mutations have the most impact when the sperm and egg comes together to become a single cell. During the exchange in genes or chromosomes, mutations can cause humans to be born with web feet, hair to grow all over face and body, color blindness, down syndrome, dwarfism, or even born neither male or female. XX for female and XY for male. Yes God creates more than just male or female. God also creates XXY, XXX, and a few more just for fun."

Uh, excuse me Mr. Genius, but scince FACT is an observable fact.
Show me even one instance of any mutation changing into another species?
There is nothing in the fossil record, nor is there any case of a mutation even surviving...not in nature, or in a lab.
Good luck with that ;)
NEXT!?

"There is good fossil evidence that most birds evolved from dinosaurs and/or reptiles, both of which laid eggs."

LOL...where?
You're reaching my friend.
Only in the fantasy land of Hollywood and scince fiction will you find any "evidence".
Good luck with that ;)
NEXT!?

Guessing, imaginations, supposition, conjecture, rumours, gossip, heresay, lies...and theories with no credible evidence.
You're REEEEEEEEEEEACHING...and it's really getting nauseating to see how blind you are.
Like saying that the egg was laid by the ancestor of the chicken.
So you're saying the embryo just decided one day that he'd become a different species than his mother?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! :))
Pathetic.
Your answers are a joke.
ROMANS chapter 1 says everything you have just said. It speaks all about who and what you are. It even tells your origins.
The Bible is Truth...and you call it a fairy-tale.
Then you blindly believe the fantasies of a coke-head, homosexual who saw minor adaptations in some finches and said, "Oh! This must mean that species changed over billions of years from simple life forms into complex ones!?"
He saw MICRO-evolution...species adapting to their enviroment.
SPECIES DO NOT CHANGE INTO ANOTHER SPECIES! THERE IS NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE!!
Poor souls

Answer 1

God and a scientist are talking one day. The scientist says, "Hey God, we have come up with a way to create life out of nothing." God says, "Oh really. How?" The scientist starts gathering some dirt to show God his experiment when God says, "No, no, no... get your own dirt!"

Answer 2

Is it possible to have a copy without there first being an original?
Can a complex system create itself?
Do blueprints draw themselves?
Does a house (or computer for that matter), build itself?
How come chimps never evolved?

For above questions - answer is - First Study the theory of evelution before showing the world that you are Stupid.

Why is the most intelligent animal a bird?

The most intellegent species on earth is Humans. Apart from that you get, Chimpanzees, Dolphins and a few other species that has better Inteligence levels than the rest - but not as humans.

How did gases form into solid matter?
Where did the gases come from?

Gas / Liquid / Solid has nothing to do with evolution - Gas cool down to be liquid further cool down to be solid - Example Water - go figure out how.

What intelligence made them evolve into complex and intricate life forms?

Again - Study evolution - and not just one sentence.


Where did gravity come from?

Nothing to do with evolution - but every physical structure has a gravity - Earth is a combination of such gravities formed in to one large gravitational force.

What comprises the vacuum of "empty" space?

Vaccume = Empty Space = Nothing = U R Stupid


Why can't science discover the source of energy?

What source of energy ? There are millions of forms of Energy ?

Why didn't ants evolve?

They have, who said that they haven't ?


How did single-cell organisms evolve into complex and intricate organs like the eye, brain and nervous system?

Again - study the process of evolution - then you will know

I have serious doubt about your teachers too ? Where do you school ?

Answer 3

"What came first, the chicken or the egg?"

Who knows?Who cares?But I would rather believe that there is a scientific explanation then a magical deity that just made it so and offered no evidence of this act other then man made books.

"Is it possible to have a copy without there first being an original?"

No.But how does that prove anything either way?You can't create a "copy" without an original.But in this day and age you can create an original without a copy.

"Can a complex system create itself?"

Why not?What advanced explanation do you have that it can't?

"Do blueprints draw themselves?"

Depends on if you have a program to do that on your computer.

"Does a house (or computer for that matter), build itself?"

Well, machines do make other machines and I don't think it's that far off before machines make houses.So why not a house machine that builds houses?

"How come chimps never evolved?"

How do you know they haven't?

"Why is the most intelligent animal a bird?"

I have heard that dolphins are pretty intelligent and I am willing to bet my neighbors dog is more intelligent then your average bird.Can a bird bring you the morning paper and assist the blind?Or learn to seek out deep sea mines?

"How did gases form into solid matter?"

Sorry.You will have to ask the proper scientists and experts in that field.

"What intelligence made them evolve into complex and intricate life forms?"

Who says there was anything intelligent involved?How do you know that it wasn't just a cosmic event that even now continues as the universe expands?

"Where did gravity come from?"

Mass rotation

"What comprises the vacuum of "empty" space?"

Ask an astronaut

"Why can't science discover the source of energy?"

Depends on which energy you're talking about.Science knows very well how your computer is getting it's energy.To bad you don't.

"Why didn't ants evolve?"

Who says they didn't?

"How did single-cell organisms evolve into complex and intricate organs like the eye, brain and nervous system?"

Billions of years can do wonders and makes more sense then thousands of years created instantly by magic or some other superstitious way.

Next...

Answer 4

Okay, I'll bite.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? The chicken egg is a solid-shelled version of its evolutionary predecessor, the leathery reptile egg, which is descended from the soft eggs of amphibians and fish. This lineage can be traced back to the first multicellular organisms to use sexual reproduction to create an external embryo. But the question you ask is flawed- it assumes that there was suddenly an animal that we know now as a chicken. That assumption denies the process of evolution, and it's hard to answer a question asked in a context that denies its pretenses.

Is it possible to have a copy without there first being an original? Nope. However, I fail to see the relevance.

Can a complex system create itself? Yes, in a biological system. However, since terrestrial life is the only biological system we know, evolution is unique.

Do blueprints draw themselves? Nope. Relevance?

Does a house (or computer for that matter), build itself? Nope. Relevance?

How come chimps never evolved? Theoretically, they're still evolving, as is every form of life. If a form of life is well suited to its niche, evolution will be slow, since natural selection will never select for anything grossly different. Chimps are well adapted to their environment.

Why is the most intelligent animal a bird? This is a false premise.

How did gases form into solid matter? By the same process that turns water vapor into water and into ice.

Where did the gases come from? In the first instant of the universe, nearly all present-day matter was formed.

What intelligence made them evolve into complex and intricate life forms? There was no intelligence behind it. If one animal survives and another one doesn't, then the survivor's genes will be passed on to the next generation. It just happens that our current complexity is better suited to survive in the world today, expanding into new niches in which less complex creatures wouldn't have a place.

Where did gravity come from? Gravity is the tendency of masses to accelerate toward one another. It's one of the natural universe's four fundamental interactions. How can it have a source?

What comprises the vacuum of "empty" space? It's a vaccuum. That means there's nothing there. It's not easy to create a mental reckoning of that, is it?

Why can't science discover the source of energy? There are plenty of sources of energy, all beginning with the Big Bang. What haven't we been able to discover?

Why didn't ants evolve? See the question about chimpanzees.

How did single-cell organisms evolve into complex and intricate organs like the eye, brain and nervous system? To make this simple... take a planarian for example. It once crawled around blindly, but a slight mutation in one of its cells made that cell sensitive to light. This planarian was better suited to survival than the rest, and its genes were passed on. Eventually, other mutations multiplied the number of photosensitive cells. Naturally, there were other mutations as well, but none made the planarian so fit as the increasingly complex eyes it was developing. Every time a mutation resulted in a more advanced light-interpreting organ, that organism passed on its genes due to its naturally better survivability. It took countless years, but by the time humans came along, the eye as we know it was fully developed.

Answer 5

Evolution solves the chicken and egg problem. Mutations have the most impact when the sperm and egg comes together to become a single cell. During the exchange in genes or chromosomes, mutations can cause humans to be born with web feet, hair to grow all over face and body, color blindness, down syndrome, dwarfism, or even born neither male or female. XX for female and XY for male. Yes God creates more than just male or female. God also creates XXY, XXX, and a few more just for fun.


Anyway, back to chicken and egg. Since mutations have the most dramatic effect during the gestation period, it's most likely that the chicken egg came before the chicken. The real question is at what point do you consider the animal to be a chicken? The first chicken egg have to come from parents that look like a chicken, but missing something that today's chicken might have. Maybe all pre-chickens all 50% bigger, but the mutation have left today's chicken smaller.

Hey, maybe future humans will all be dwarfts, averaging about 4 feet, and live till they are 200 years old. Oh, future humans will definitely be fat asses since it's already happening now.


RESPONSE TO TRUEBELIEVER:
I thought you were just ignorant. No, you are truly dumb. Fossil record? You know how fossils are created? Where's the fossil record of Adam & Eve? Where's the fossil record of Jesus?

No cases of mutations surviving? You need reading comprehension classes too? Dwarfism, down syndrome, color blindness are mutations. Oh, I guess they don't exist to you cause there are no fossil records of color blind people even if they are walking on Earth right now.

Answer 6

You idiot. The eye evolved from natural selection. Flatworms have eyespots, spots that only sense light, this function later evolved into an eyespot that can sense color, then over the eons became the eyes we have today. The human race did not create itself, it evolved. Like if a rat was born with two heads, and it proved as a useful advantage, it would make the rat superior and thus become an evolutionary trend. Thus a single celled organism learned to pair up, creating multicellular organisms, and so on. Other species of animals exist because evolutionary breakthroughs are "freaks." The parent species still survives it's successor. And what does gravity and gases have to do with evolution? That is creation of the universe, not of the human species. Go back to school before you challenge this topic, and learn to answer these 3 questions: As a creationist, hopefully you can answer this one, Who made God? Or how about this one, If proving God is fallable would destroy the universe, then he can not violate the laws of physics which he created, thus he would have no way of creating a species from nothing. And lastly, do you really believe there is a big invisible guy in the sky who just blew man kind out his ***?


And in response to your last added question, why would a self sustaining single celled organism evolve to one dependant on outside stimuli? Simple. Survival of the fittest. Even single celled organisms have fights and wars in a sense. Thus a multicellular organism would have a huge benifit in combat over a single celled, thus making it superior. Natural selection thus made it an evolutionary advantage and it became the trend. The more cells, the more superiority, until complex organisms like flat worms came to be, and continued to evolve until it was not about the number of cells anymore, but rather a contest of physical traits.

Answer 7

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First of all, you seem like a formidable and intelligent opponent in this particular battle. I am a religious person, but I believe in evolution. I don't see why it isn't possible for God to have created man with the ability to adapt and evolve.

But to answer your question, which you seem to already have a pointed opinion of, the answer is: they are the same damned thing. A chicken starts life in the single cell with a covering known as an egg. Then it breaks out and lives in a different phase.
Truth be told, it doesn't matter. If you believe in "first came the cell, then came the more complex cell", then the protons, neutrons, and electrons came first. Then rapidly came the atoms, then the molecules, then the randomly, but lucky arrangement into a cell, then the Deoxyribonucleic Acid had some screwups in it's replication and it adapted to it's environment with new traits. This happened a buttload of times until we have the chicken/egg argument. It could've even been that the egg itself was an adaptation. Perhaps it was better for a chicken to lay eggs than birth chicks. If this is true, the chicken came first. It doesn't really matter. It's all a matter of random DNA screwups during mitosis. This accounts for every mutation and adaptation (such as something as complex as the eye) there is.
Now, it is my belief that God created all organisms with the ability to adapt.

But the chicken/egg argument is childish and beneath a person with such an intellect as you. Don't be immature. Argue about the real issue here.

Answer 8

What came first, the chicken or the egg?
The egg itself is a structure that reptiles first had so in this way the egg would be first. The egg containing the first chicken would fall in a line of evolutionary steps toward the "first chicken egg" through mutations.

Is it possible to have a copy without there first being an original?
The definition of copy is that it is a replica of something else. However, I do not understand what you are getting at with this question.

Can a complex system create itself?
No, nothing can be created in a total vacuum. However, with evolution there are multiple stresses on a system which help make it complex. Such as weather, the sun, elements.

Do blueprints draw themselves?
Blueprints are made by humans. However, if you are using this question to try to disprove genetic blueprints (DNA and genetic material) it does not work. The blueprint analogy is simply that, an analogy.

Does a house (or computer for that matter), build itself?
A house and a computer are formed by humans. Analogies like this however, do not follow scientific lines of reasoning.

How come chimps never evolved?
Chimps have evolved, if they hadn't why would they have opposable thumbs for grasping and long limbs to help them live in the trees.

Why is the most intelligent animal a bird?
It would depend on your idea of intelligence, but even then I have not heard that a bird was the "most intelligent."

How did gases form into solid matter?
Using water as an example, you can gather water vapor, collect it until it turns into a significant amount of water, freeze it and you will have a solid ice cube. This doesnt require a person, it just requires elements/compounds which move through the 3 phases (gas, liquid, solid). Usually temperature (freezing to slow molecules enough to allow them to cohere is the best way) is a big factor.

Where did the gases come from?
This doesnt follow with your question of evolution. I personally like the idea of a God which began the universe and left it untouched after that. Basically being the "mover" that put all things into motion, but does not interfere elsewise.

What intelligence made them evolve into complex and intricate life forms?
I really dont understand what this question is saying. Complex and intricate life forms can be created over time. Intelligence is not needed, just the forces/elements of the universe.

Where did gravity come from?
Again I like the idea of God as a universal "mover," the "first action." With matter being created, the laws of physics fell into place.

What comprises the vacuum of "empty" space?
Space is simply that, empty. There are small particles in Space itself, but when a vacuum is formed, it is empty.

Why can't science discover the source of energy?
Energy for Earth comes from the sun. What began the universe itself is debatable and I reference back to my "first action" answer.

Why didn't ants evolve?
They did evolve, almost every single organism on earth evolved somehow, especially the multicellular ones. Ants, although they are small, are complex within themselves. They have a sensory system, digestive system, and a type of circulartory system. However, not all of the species that came from evolution survived. Those that were not able to compete with other organisms died out.

How did single-cell organisms evolve into complex and intricate organs like the eye, brain and nervous system?
That is too big of a jump and obviously it requires steps to lead up to the development of such organs/systems. It would be akin to saying how did the United States start off as colonies and become such a big world power. Through evolution, single celled organisms would slowly develop into multi-cellular organisms. Senses such as sight, smell, and touch would help in interacting with the organism's environment and would heighten the chances of survival. As organisms grew larger, it would follow that senses must be able to perceive more to aid in survival. The eye itself for example, has pigments that act the same way that pigments are used in plants, to gather light. Eyespots in flatworms serve have a similar structure (gather light) except they can only tell if it is light or dark out. A more detailed vision would allow organisms to better identify its prey and predators and would massively help in survival.

Answer 9

Is it possible to have a copy without there first being an original?
If the claim of it being a copy is fictious then the "missing" original is nonexistant.

Can a complex system create itself?
You are making an assumption on creation, besides who created god? Man?

Do blueprints draw themselves?
Does god dray them? Your being silly now.

Does a house (or computer for that matter), build itself?
Computers can build computers, yes.

How come chimps never evolved?
The monkeys you see today are more like our cusins than our parents. Your analogy is false.

Why is the most intelligent animal a bird?
Maybe more intelligent than you.

How did gases form into solid matter?
You have got to be kidding me. Please take a 5th grade science class.

Where did the gases come from?
Diffrent atoms were formed by fission/fussion in stars.

What intelligence made them evolve into complex and intricate life forms?
No intelligence did this. You are making another assumption.

Where did gravity come from?
From the mass of the object it comes from. Again 5th grade science would answer this for you.

What comprises the vacuum of "empty" space?
Radiation, lack of atmosphere, ect...

Why can't science discover the source of energy?
Why can't religion? Does it need a source or are you making more assumptions.

Why didn't ants evolve?
What makes you think they didn't?

How did single-cell organisms evolve into complex and intricate organs like the eye, brain and nervous system?
Please read Modern Systhensis.

Why would a self-sufficient single-celled organism evolve into one that's dependent on outside resources?
Mutation+Natural selection.

Speaking of "Natural Selection"...
If that proves MACRO-evolution, then why is it no one has ever observed one species changing into another?
We have. Blue roses being created in labrotories and saltwater fish becoming fresh water fish in nature. You are way behind in your research.

If it NS true, then we'd have literally millions of varities of every species on earth.
Species also die out. Dinosaurs for example.

Just the intermediate species alone would add-up to hundreds of millions of varities/species.
If nothing ever died then yes. I am sure you have heard of death.

i've studied philosophy, biology, religion, logic and reason.
LIAR!!!!

Answer 10

1. The chicken I'd imagine, because logically, in the process of evolution, whatever you would have called it before would have to develop into the stage of existence that would allow it to lay eggs...which we call chickens today.

2. Yes and no, because the copy is the original.

3. Yes, if that's what the system is designed to do. (The reproductive system for example.)

4. I'm not really familiar with what exactly the process is that goes into making blue prints, but I'm going to make a guess of a no.

5. I'm sure some smarta$s could think of a yes answer to this, but I say no.

6. They did evolve from something I'm sure, I just don't know or care from what.

7. As far as I'm concerned, humans are the most intelligent animal.

8. This is why I failed chemistry. My teacher was fat and bald, and laughed at me when I asked him questions.

9. Don't know, don't care.

10. Probably God. There, I gave you the God answer you were looking for. Have at it fu-cker.

11. God probably.

12. I dunno. God?

13. Because God hates you? Damn, I'm funny.

14. Who cares?

15. I'm gonna go with God again, cause I really don't give much of a damn about science.

Answer 11

There are a few theories in the back of this, however anything like endless regression pretty much says "it is so a ways again we do not recognise and may not recognise." Ideally, we do not recognise what started evolution. But this will have to be tested extra carefully among micro and macro evolution. Macro evolution remains to be very enormously contested, and lots of query its validity within the discipline of biology. Micro evolution is all approximately adaptaion to outlive. Necessity is the mum of invention...despite the fact that it might appear that plenty that's mentioned in micro evolution is natural danger, no longer necessity. Either approach, survival might be a robust motivator for adapability. It's a bit little bit of twisted good judgment, assets are restrained so someway a mutation happens which offers one creature a larger facet over others (micro evolution)...finally those mutations will grow to be so exceptional that there is a complete new species (macro evolution). But there turns out to want a riding drive, for the reason that subject unearths its lowest steady degree of vigour, why might it try to compete? What's the force? Of direction Science Fiction does factor out that radiation can mutate lizards into horribly gigantic fireplace respiring beasts.