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"How can we use observation to investigate an unobservable being called God? After all, if God is invisible and immaterial as most christians, jews and muslimes claim, then how can our senses help us gather information about him?

Answer: We use induction to investigate God the same way we use it to investigate other things we can't see-by observing their effects. For example, we can't observe gravity directly; but only its effects. From those effects we make a rational inference to the existence of a cause."


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Answer 1

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Answer 2

chazzzko,
"How can we use observation to investigate an unobservable being called God?"
By your question you are indicating tht you are not Chirstian. Those other religions I can't help you with. I can tell you about the God I know.

1) He doesn't want to be known by some. He's not looking for their approval.
2) The observations that are in the Bible are revelations (to lead out from behind a curtain) of God. Those words reveal what He values, what He expects of us, and what He has planned for the future.

Those observations must be made through reading or hearing of the scriptures. Those that comment about the scriptures must be uncompromisingly steadfst to the lesson that they are taught, and by the influence of the Holy Spirit. Those that do not have both are not the ones to learn from.

"After all, if God is invisible and immaterial as most christians, jews and muslimes claim, then how can our senses help us gather information about him?"
By trusting Him. Otherwise called faith. He said that through His Son, we can obtain eternal life. That's a starting point for anyone who wants to know Him. Jesus said, " Seek ye first the kingdom." And the Father said, "This is my beloved Son, listen to him."

"Answer: We use induction to investigate God the same way we use it to investigate other things we can't see-by observing their effects. For example, we can't observe gravity directly; but only its effects. From those effects we make a rational inference to the existence of a cause."
And so prophecy is the gravity that God uses to prove His word. All this Middle Eastern trouble that we are seeing is evidence of His prophecies being true.

Israel is again a nation,
They do not believe in the Messiah who has come,
There will be a great earthquake in the area of Israel, even in Israel, changing the way things are over there:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,204433,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rift_Valley

If you are really interseted in the things that God does, and you want to know that He is, keep watching. It's a weird thing to say, but things are happening very quickly.

Another prophecy not fulfilled yet is Isaiah 17:1. Keep an eye on Damascus. It looks like it won't be there too much longer.

Answer 3

People have had religous experiences since beofre the chirstian, jewish or muslem god existed. Gods have been around way longer than any current religion. Does that mean that only the first religons were right because they had the first expierences. I think that this feeling of god in people's lives is likely just our souls and even though we cannot scientifically prove a soul people have expierences that are not easily justifable through scientific means. I think it will take time for science to catch up with spirtuality but the two will mix at some point in time.
The nice thing about science is that anything that isn't scientifically proveable or disprovale science has nothing to say about, so god and religion are up the each person, and science has nothing to do with it at least not yet.

Answer 4

I largely agree, but would choose different words. Incidentally I am nearly certain there is no "God".

Religious beliefs are no different from scientific beliefs in that they are both attempts at understanding the world and they must be consistent with that world and with themselves.

We should use any tool available to us to investigate our world. If you think it is worthwhile to try to find evidence of a "God" who is being more or less uncooperative in being found, then inductive logic is going to be part of your search. We can also deduce certain things, however. We can deduce that any god that exists and is omnipotent does not want us all to know that it exists. This we can deduce from the fact that we don't all believe in a god.

When you use the analogy of gravity and God, remember that the effects of gravity are predictable and uniform, whereas no such effects can be attributed to God. For every example one can provide about God "working in someone's life", you can provide many examples of things not working out. Some would say this is God "testing" someone. But gravity never "tests" things by throwing them upwards... gravity pulls down.

In summary... yes, inductive reasoning will help you understand. All correct approaches will lead you to roughly the same conclusions.

Answer 5

No.

First off theists can't even agree on a definition of god. Until you can define what god is, and what effects it has on the universe you can not possibly investigate it; because you don't know where to look nor what to look for.

One of the common characteristics that most theists hold about god is that it is supernatural. Therefore to investigate god you must be able to define, isolate, and study supernatural events.

All observable phenomenon in our universe are natural by definition. Science and all objective forms of study are only able to investigate natural phenomenon. And as part of this universe, humans are inherently unable to study or understand the supernatural.

Investigating god is no more productive or usefull then trying to explain why trolls prefer to live under bridges.

Answer 6

because many peple believe in science and what seems more realistic to most people. that 1 higher being pointed with his finger and created the universe or a combination of hydrogen gas and other elements caused the explosion. many scientist have been trying to prove that god exist like einstein but many times they fail and somehow prove that there is no god because object A and object B created object C which could explain how the big bang was created etc etc.

i think one of the reasons that many people don't believe in god is because as a child they were forced to being in them but as they got their education things like evolution, big bang, natural selection etc they start questioning why should i read a book that's thousands of years old when it was written by a person who decided what was good and what was not. science makes more sense than a being that created everything.

this is a bit off topic but here's my point of view on the bible and many other writings of "god(s)".
whoever you believe in did not just point a finger and created millions of books to be read by everybody. somebody a mortal, a human being, a person sat down on a chair and wrote what they thought people should know, what they should do, what is wrong etc. lets say the person is a racist, he'll no doubt write some scroll about how every other person but ___ are inferier to god and those will practice this book will go to heaven and everybody else who does not or fit the race should be killed.

Answer 7

Induction is what humanity has always used to explain what they couldn't understand. However, induction is only useful when you can test the hypothesis you form from it. If you suspect that a force called gravity is present in the universe, you can test its presence, nature, and physics by performing experiments that reveal more about it.

How can you test for the presence of God? If I were being snarky about it, I'd tell you to pray for ten statistically unlikely and unaffectable events and record how many of these come true for you, as opposed to the same events for a control atheist.

Your quote is thought-provoking, but ultimately denies the basic tenets of inductive reasoning in science.

Answer 8

Yes I do agree with this. This classic example has been discussed many times and yields very good arguments.

This is perfect for Atheists because if your argument is how can you believe in God if you have never seen him. Then you tell me how do you know that you have a brain or a heart and I am sure that you have never seen it either.

How do you know that the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second? And if you tell me because you have been told (by someone) that the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second, then you are the biggest piece of bulls**t I have ever known.

If you are going to believe that gravity exists just because I tell you, then why won't you believe when I tell you that there is one God and only one God.

This lets me, a man of science, not have a conflict between my religious beliefs and what the American Physical Society publishes because I am required to have blind belief in certain things anyway.

Answer 9

Very interesting. You are attributing the idea of faith as a feeling of God. Faith is a powerful and mind altering thing. It is like a drug and makes chemical changes take place in your brain. Buddhist do this all the time and believe in no God. The affect that you are experiencing is Faith not God. There is a big difference there. Indoctrination is not education. Education is meant to open an empty mind not fill it. I was just like you, but I have since learn that religions teach us what to think, not how to think. Once you realize that you actually know nothing, then you can begin to replace your blind faith with wisdom. Wisdom is what is needed to mend the worlds suffering, not blind faith. He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.

Answer 10

Of course, we can see God in the way He moves in this world.

What is that old saying?

"I cannot see the wind -- I can see the effects of the wind, but I cannot see it."

(Listen to "Mind's Eye" by DC Talk.)

People cannot PROVE that God exists -- they must use faith, and for many it is a downfall. It takes heart, a sense of purpose, and courage to believe in Someone who isn't seen.

Likewise, you cannot DISPROVE God -- when you cannot see something, you must guess that it does not exist.

Maybe we'll find Noah's ark someday, or those chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea. Who knows? I believe through faith, the way it was intended. =)

Answer 11

I agree that the existence of a universal creative intelligence can be deduced by observing, examining, investigating, and/or pondering the universe and things in it.

I don't see any other conclusion, and I don't follow any religion. I seek understanding more than anything else.