People who think that prophecies were made true at opportune times ....?

Question

there was a previous question stating something to this affect ..... come on, there is no logic to that, how in the world could a world just happen to make a war happen exactly like the Bible said it would happen. How could specific details be acted on and actually turn out right. What are the odds? The odds of any Governing body being able to pull off something like that is crazy. It would be impossible. The fact is that it was prophecized and happen because there is God who know everything past, present and future!!

Who agrees?

Answer 1

Specific dates were not mentioned, but specific situations. Just like the virgin birth of Jesus and all of the prophecies related to his birth.. It is impossible to fortell the future without the help of God.. The whole prophesy for the end times is related to Israel. Watch the war in Israel to see what will happen and if it is the beginning of the Great Tribulation.. It is easy to laugh and say we are crazy now, but when you are in it, then we will see and you will remember that you were told and didn't heed the warning.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Answer 2

Look more closely at the actual prophesies and at their actual fulfillments. They look very different after the fact. Of course God can know everything. The question is how much humans can know. Bypass the rumors and stories. Look at the prophesies themselves, when they were given, to whom, in what context. Then check to see if any prophesy was possibly re-written after its events took place. Some are true, some are not, some have been altered, some prophesies speak figuratively, some have dates retro-fitted to them, some are the work of people who can discern a pattern in the social environment and predict a likely outcome. Not everything is the word of God, but the word of God is out there if you can bypass enough of the other stuff to find it. Good luck.

Answer 3

I disagree. Although your question is who agrees and thus invites only answers saying I do, I will in the interest of balancing the other side of this issue answer.

There has been a lot of critical analysis done on the Bible and many scholars have come to the conclusion that it was not entirely written as stated. Some of the prophecy passages may have in fact been written after the events had taken place. I will use the book of Daniel scholarship as an example:

Many Liberal Christians believe that the book was really written many centuries after Daniel's time, during the Maccabean revolt against the Greek occupying forces in 168-164 BCE. They regard the book as pseudepigraphic - written by an anonymous author or authors and attributed to Daniel. They conclude this for a number of reasons:

1.The text contains a number of Greek words; yet the Greek occupation of the area did not occur until the 4th century BCE.

2. One of the musical instruments mentioned in Daniel 3:5 and in subsequent passages did not exist until developed in 2nd century BCE Greece.

3. Daniel 1:4 refers to the "Chaldeans" as a priestly class in Babylon. This term did not attain this meaning until much later than the 6th century.

4. About 180 BCE, Jeshua ben Sira listed the heroes of the Jewish faith, including "Enoch, Noah and Abraham through to Nehemiah;"Daniel is not mentioned - presumably because Jeshua is unaware of him. This would indicate that the book of Daniel was written after that time.

5. Chapter 12 discusses the dead being resurrected, judged, and taken to either heaven and hell. At the time of Daniel, the Jews believed that all persons went to Sheol after death. The concept of heaven and hell was introduced centuries later by the Greeks. It did not appear in Israel until the time of the Maccabean revolt.

6. Daniel 11:31 (and elsewhere) refers to "the abominable thing that causes desolation." This appears to refer to the erection of a statue of Zeus in the Jerusalem temple in 167 BCE, and would indicate that the book was written later than that date.

7. Prior to Daniel 11:40, the author(s) has been recording past events under the Babylonian, Median, Persian and Greek empires. In Daniel 11:40-45, he really attempts to predict the future. He prophesizes that a king of the south (of the Ptolemaic dynasty) will attack the Greeks in Palestine, under Antiochus. The Greeks will win, will lay spoil to all of northeast Africa, and return to Palestine where Antiochus will die. The end of history will then occur. The author(s) appeared to be a poor psychic because none of these events actually happened. Antiochus did die in 164 BCE, but it was in Persia. Thus, the book was apparently completed before 164.


Many liberal Christians believe that the Book of Daniel is a work of fiction. Fables and myths about a non-existent ancient hero, Daniel's, were passed down orally for centuries, and then finally written down by an unknown author(s), sometime between 167 and 164 BCE. At the end of the book, the author(s) then unsuccessfully attempted to predict the future.

Answer 4

Because it's NOT exactly as it happened. Prophecy is always vague and subjective. That's how it works. You make it vague enough so that when something eventually does happen that's in any way similar to what you predicted, people can read into it what they will and think the it's been "fulfilled". Specific and prophecy are words that just don't belong in the same sentence.

Answer 5

Prophesies of the Bible are vague. Claiming to know the meaning of seven candles and seven seals as the true interpretation of biblical prophesy would be almost comical if it wasn't really so sad.

You can take any random concept, marry it with a number, and call it a prophesy. For the sake of argument, I'll make a prophesy for you.

3 pies will be responsible for destroying a man destined for greatness before his greatness is realized.

Now, that's a bit tongue in cheek, but I guarantee you that sometime in the next few thousand years, sheer chance will make someone die because of something to do with 3 pies. Maybe he sells them to someone who doesn't like him and that person kills him. Maybe he eats them all and gets food poisoning. Maybe he's assassinated by the owners of 3 pizza parlors. Maybe he's in a fatal car crash delivering ingredients for 3 pies. Maybe he dies from an STD after using 3 pies to spice up his sex life. Maybe he's not even killed, but his life is ruined beyond recovery because of something to do with 3 pies. Odds are, it will not even make the 9:o'clock news when it happens.

The point is, it's a statement that leaves a variety of possibilities, all open to interpretation, to fulfill the prophesy. Since he is destined for greatness, but will be destroyed before becoming a great man, chances are he is a nobody, and once he's destroyed, you cannot disprove that he is destined for greatness.

As for the accuracy of Biblical prophesies, many prophesies don't even come true within the text of the Bible. There are about a dozen instances in the Bible where Jehovah himself promises his favorite minion victory to one army or another, but if you read the story, His minions lose their respective battles and wars.

To date, no Biblical prophesy has been proven to be true. The examples of prophesy coming true within the Bible are known to have been written after the fact. Even the prophesies of the Messiah are known to be false in the personhood of Jesus Christ. However, it falls to the faithful to lend a blind eye to the evidence and proclaim Christ as the fulfillment of prophesy for lack of a better claimant.

-SD-

Answer 6

The prophecies will come to pass in God's time. Not "an opportune time." Believe me, it will be very inconvenient and tragic for the unbelievers when the prophecies do come to pass.

Answer 7

The CREATOR know's everything, Past, Present and Future, which DOES NOT NEGATE our FREE-WILL.
HE just know's everything, that's all.
AND HE can calculate EVERY POSSIBLE RESULT of EVERY Thought, Word, or Deed instantly, to know the Result's of those Thought's, Word's and Deed's.
Pretty good, ain't HE? Ditto..............

Answer 8

eventhough I do believe the Bible....You still have to be careful. If you believe everything that is prophesized...that leaves you gullible to things of pure coincidences. And that leaves you in a dangerous spot. Be very careful of what you believe...

Answer 9

That is absolute nonsense.

And you probably believe in free will too.

If you do that contradicts the very idea of prophecy.

Answer 10

I totally agree with you