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You do not understand that it means that Jesus in his prehuman existance was the only creation that Jehovah God created entirely by himself, that after creating Jesus, in heaven know as Michael, that Jesus became his master worker and Jehovah then brought everything else into existance through Jesus. It's clearly stated in the Bible. Have you not read this?

2006-07-31 17:40:37 · 33 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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2006-07-31 17:46:05 · update #1

1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Jude 9

2006-07-31 17:51:40 · update #2

Read Proverbs 8: 22-36

2006-07-31 18:00:18 · update #3

You can contact me for scriptures of further proof if you are truely desiring to learn with an open heart yearning for God.

2006-08-01 06:12:23 · update #4

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Jehovah's Witnesses teach that no salvation occurs without Christ, that accepting Christ's sacrifice is a requirement for true worship, that every prayer must acknowledge Christ, that Christ is the King of God's Kingdom, that Christ is the head of the Christian congregation, that Christ is immortal and above every creature, even that Christ was the 'master worker' in creating the universe! Secularists acknowledge that Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian religion; it is primarily those with a dogmatic agenda that ignore the facts.

Rather than quoting from such trinitarian sources as philosophy, Greek mythology, and quotes from other Babylon-loving Trinitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures alone quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.

(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation

(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.

(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God

(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God

(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth

(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak

(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father

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2006-08-01 06:12:11 · answer #1 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 2 7

I don't recall anywhere in my Bible where it says anything like what you're discussing. You'll notice that Genesis specifically states that "God said, 'Let US (emphasis added) create man in OUR own image.'" You'll also notice that in the gospels that all three members of the trinity are present at the same time, yet in different places. Jesus is in the River Jordan, the Holy Spirit is descending from Heaven, and the Father states from Heaven, "This is my son..." How can a unitarian God be present in three places at the same time? Furthermore, begotten is also defined as "fathering or creating children". In this case, the Bible refers to Jesus in human form, after his birth by Mary. If Jesus is a created being along the order of the angels, then that would contradict the scriptures in Psalms (ch2 v7), (ch104 v4); as well as Hebrews which is devoted in large part to explaining the divinity and place in Heaven of Jesus. There is an excellent commentary online at the url listed here. Hope this sheds a little more light on your theology.

2006-07-31 18:01:07 · answer #2 · answered by mrkwooley 3 · 0 0

Yeah! Intelegence! You can give them the scriptural proof.
1 John 3:16
Proverbs 8:22,23 and 30.
and the part about Michael and Jesus being the same - well, the only 2 scriptures in the bible where archangel appears (Jude 9 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16) one refers to Michael and the other to Christ.

2006-07-31 17:44:24 · answer #3 · answered by CHRISTINA 4 · 0 0

Begotten=Beginning Christ Humanity Flesh had Beginning which was at Bethlehem where He was Born as a Human Baby Boy! Check out Galations 4:4! Christ was 100% Man, 100% God, Unlike any other Jesus means-Jehovah Salvation? 1 Timothy states Without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the Flesh, That God was Jesus Christ! I could go on & on!

2006-07-31 17:51:05 · answer #4 · answered by Wayne S 3 · 0 0

Look at John 17. Jesus mentions several times in this prayer that He and the Father are One. Jesus came forth from God, and He is God. This is also indicated in John 1 when it says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." Also in John 1 it mentions "only begotten Son," which obviously means Jesus was the only Son of God born of the flesh.

2006-07-31 17:55:18 · answer #5 · answered by ©2007 answers by missy 4 · 0 0

Wrong! Begotten means that He was not a created person but an extension of God the Father. As in "Begotten not made, One in being with God".

I plead the blood of Jesus upon you so that you cannot walk in this deception any more.

Let's just say that the first sign that you belong to a cult is that they only accept Bible versions that are in difficult to interpret language so it is easier to deceive you.

try a current day version here: http://www.ibs.org/niv/ There is a section that shows the authenticity of this version available on the site. to reassure you that I am not trying to decieve you.

2006-07-31 17:48:20 · answer #6 · answered by Makemeaspark 7 · 0 0

What you mean when you say "begotten. What did God Almighty do to "beget" Jesus ?

Begotten means to beget i.e. to procreate. Begetting is an animal act belonging to the animal function of sex. How can we attribute such a lowly function to God.

If God begets Jesus then from whom the God was begotten. Will there be any begotten son of Jesus? Is there any other God which has yet to come? if we return this issue to logic... i mean core logic...


As we know, A creation is not eternal. An eternal being is uncreated. A being who has a beginning like Jesus, has to be someone who made Jesus into being. My parents begot me and God created me. If God begot Jesus but did not created him, then who created Jesus?


It follows by logical necessity that if God is one, and if He is eternal, Then He does not beget , Nor is he begotten. Because if He beget, then He will have a child then the child will have to be God-like. So there will then be two Gods. Since there is only one, you cannot have two. OR If he was begotten, that means he would have father. Then the father will be older than him, wiser than him, more eternal than him. and you cannot have one who is more eternal than ETERNAL.


"He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything" (Quran 6:101)

QURAN SPEAKS ABOUT THE BIRTH OF JESUS PBUH IN (Chapter 3: verse 45-47)

"Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!"

hope this helps

2006-07-31 17:48:21 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

No it is not stated in the bible that way.We are all Sparks of the Creator (read precreation stories). ST.Lucifer was supposed to be the Guardian Angel of this planet. but fell from grace for fermenting a rebellion in Heaven . thinking he could do things better than the Creator could. and they are now awaiting the day of Judgment on an island surrounded by glass.
God sent Jesus to save the Jewish race as their savior.

2006-07-31 17:54:29 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Only Begotten means==== God is Jesus Father.
In Christ in Love,
TJ57

2006-07-31 17:50:45 · answer #9 · answered by TJ 57 4 · 0 0

You must be a Mormon. And you are wrong. If Jesus is God's only begotten Son, then why do you call Him Michael? Michael was an archangel, and NOT God's ONLY SON! Next, I think you will be calling Satan the brother of Jesus! Have you not read THIS?

2006-07-31 17:47:10 · answer #10 · answered by ravin_lunatic 6 · 0 0

where is your scripture to back up the idea that Jesus was a angel? I have read the Bible many times, graduated Bible college.. and have yet to discover this.

begotten means to Father.. so the "today's" english translation would be "God's only fathered son.
you don't do much Bible reading for yourself do you? begotten is the same as begat... now go look through the Bible geneology.. in the lineage of each Biblical character.. you will see

"And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech."

that means that was his father.

2006-07-31 17:45:47 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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