One common illustration presents the godhead as being like water which may exist as a liquid, or as a solid (ice), or as a gas (water vapor). The claim is that all three are water. But these states of water are not like the Trinity. God does not transform himself from one person to the other but is all the time, altogether, all three persons. The distinction of the persons in God is not one of changing states of being.
Did you see the contradictions and fallacy of the claims of the morons?
2006-07-30 14:58:41 · 10 answers · asked by whynotaskthemoron 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The analogy is close, but the people making the claim should not be labeled as morons.
Father, Son and Holy Spirit one in essence and undivided Trinity.
Water can exist in all three phases at the triple point (certain temperature and pressure). Each phase remains unique and not in essence with the other two phases. Solid ice stays in one place, while liquid and gas roam freely. Not so with the Holy Trinity.
-Ted
2006-07-30 15:04:05 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
God cannot be compared to anything created - simple as that. On the other hand, because human beings have a need to try to comprehend to the best of their ability - and that may include by analogy, even poor analogy - what the Holy Trinity means. I agree with your assessment that the water analogy is flawed in that it represents different states of H2O, where there is a transformation between the states. As you correctly state, the three Persons of the Holy Trinity do not transform between one another. In fact, this smacks of Sabellianism, which is a condemned heresy from the early centuries of Christianity.
An analogy I've heard before - can't remember which early Church Father who used it - is that of sunlight. It produces light, warmth and rays (or something like that). Maybe that's somewhat better, because it doesn't describe a transformation of properties. But as I said before, these are poor analogies to compare the Uncreated to the created, and all are doomed to failure.
2006-07-30 22:25:23 · answer #2 · answered by LDRship 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
the water was a illustration so some people can see a clear picture, and how do you know what and how God did or does,what was he in the burning bush, and the dove,and you think you know it all, what makes you think you so all fired right about anything , you probably don't believe anyway, so just sit back and learn something,and stop trying to make trouble,no there is no way to explain God we don't have the means but using water as a illustration is a very good one ,so just get off it ,if it helps someone to understand a little better, so what of it
2006-07-30 22:10:21 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Any comparison that is not in the bible should not be used because it lacks validation from the one True author of the bible. People need to look to the inspired word of God rather than the uninspired ramblings of man that only point toward confusion.
We are all human, we all make mistakes, and I don't think anyone deserves to be called a moron. In the end there will only be two groups of people, those that know the Truth and those that reject the Truth. We must strive to love both so each can find their way by us shining a light instead of spitting on theirs.
2006-07-30 22:04:07 · answer #4 · answered by Msbyt 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You're right, that is a bad illustration.
There is no perfect illustration to illustrate the Trinity, because it is eternal and perfect and nothing left on the earth is perfect.
I like St Patrick's illlustration (a three leaf clover - it is one but yet it is three).
But there is no one perfect illustration of the Trinity (or any other aspect of God). All earthly analogies and illustrations fall short.
God is so far above us, that it's hard for us to think about Him properly.
2006-07-30 22:01:57 · answer #5 · answered by Wayne A 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The trinitarian attributes of God are also considered like an egg. Whole, white and yolk. all different but part of the same.
The bottom line is that God is Spirit and He transformed Himself into human form. He is separate from us as well as His spirit indwells us always if we are Christians.
2006-07-30 22:04:07 · answer #6 · answered by mothertime2001 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I enjoy the flame analogy more. There is the blue orange and sometimes even red bit to a flame, but it is still one flame. But on the subject i would not blame them. They are trying to explain a Godly concept using only human knowledge. If you are really upset just trust God. Trust that there is one Father one Son and one Holy Spirit that are all God just like the Bible tells us. May God be with you in your search.
2006-07-30 22:05:40 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I've never heard the water illustration. I kind of like the illustration using a shamrock myself. Three parts that make up a whole.
2006-07-30 22:04:49 · answer #8 · answered by Purdey EP 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Now there are "pro-Trinitarian" Christians. So many classifications...
Now calling people morons...touchy touchy...
2006-07-30 22:03:10 · answer #9 · answered by n9wff 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
its just a comparison, no one can exactly comprehend the infinite God.
2006-07-30 22:01:49 · answer #10 · answered by jp 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋