What kind of father does it make Lot that he would give his daughters to a baying crowd of Angel Rapists?

Question

Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Is this the kind of father Jews and Christians idolise?

Or in Genesis 22:2-12: Abraham, who was going to kill his son Isaac, just because some mad, jealous and rather demanding God asked him (the fact that God replaced Isaac with a Ram at the last minute oes not make this any better).

Nice heroes you have.

To Tim:
I am fed up of that explanation. Ever since I was a kid every time I have asked or pointed out a single passage in the Bible which sounds unpleasant, wrong or strange the response has been "You're taking it out of context."

It sounds to me that nothing in the Bible means what it says. If that is the case why on earth do you continue to base your life on the book and not find a better written story to base your life on. Pompous idiot.

Also, my point wasn't at God - it was at Abraham's willingness to kill his son. And if God wanted to test Abraham, why should little Isaac have been the pawn? What if Abraham failed the test - Isaac would have died? Or Abraham would have been struck down for not obeying God's request to murder his son? And if God KNEW Abraham wouldn't kill why did he ask him to in the first place?

Think through your answers before spewing them at me so sanctimoniously.

Answer 1

I asked this one in church too. I just got a lecture, like you are going to get about this not meaning what it says, that Lot is not regarded as a good man, but the god in the story certainly thought so, now didn't he. He was the only righteous man in the entire city.
Right around that time, I gave the whole thing up. Christianity is unreasonable. Christians are worse.

Answer 2

Stop taking it out of context, and grow up. You need to find a hobby that doesn't hinge on taking religious texts out of context.

For starters, Lot later had drunken sex with his daughters, and he was only in the city because of the mistakes he had made before then. He is certainly not idolized, or regarded as a hero of the Jewish or Christian faith.

Second, God never wanted Abraham to kill Isaac. It was a test of Abraham's faith in God. God did not replace Isaac with a ram at the last minute, but had planned from the very beginning to supply the ram.

Answer 3

well in both questions, did God intervene and save the children? if you read previous chapters of Genesis you will see that God did not invite Lot into the promise land. so they were disobeyed God. and they had to suffer the consequences. besides Lot losing his wife. so is the moral the story as long as you belong to God. He will rescue you in your troubles. and for Abraham he believed that if God would be able to raise his son back up from the dead. by the way Genesis chapter 22 is the most important chapter in the old testament.

Answer 4

Genesis 22:2-12: Abraham has more FAITH in GOD than u and me... he has OBEYED the Almighty LORD ask him to do...
Genesis 19:8: He mostly consider of the HOLY MEN of GOD...

did u father give u poison rather than food, though not... so i believe my Almighty FATHER won't give me the wrong things to me.. the FATHER i've is CHRIST my SAVIOUR...

understand my frnd... though the worldly father cannot poison u... how my Almighty Father will be...

Answer 5

First of all Lot knew the men were angels and they were holy, he also knew that mortals are sinners, therefore he offered his daughters to protect the holy men, you will also note the doom of Sodom and Gomorrah, I think Lot was trusting in God to protect his daughters. Also when he was going to sacrafice his Son it was Gods way of testing Lots faithfulness to serve Him, and Lot following thru with Gods request pleased Him and God provided the scapegoat for the offering. It was a test of faith.

Answer 6

First, I don't know of anyone who thinks Lot is a hero. So you're wrong in your premise and conclusion. And to pretend God doesn't have the right to human life is laughable; he invented it and is holy and just. And to pretend that you are the absolute moral authority is presumptuous at best, demented at worst.

Answer 7

This is also found in the Quran:
11-78. And his people came to him, rushing at him, for before that they used to work evil. He 'Said, 'O my people! here are my daughters, they are purer for you; then, fear God, and do not disgrace me through my guests;- is there not among you one right-thinking man?'

11-79. They said, 'Thou knowest that we have no claim on thy daughters; verily, thou knowest what we want!'

Lot was not just giving away his daughters for the crowd to do their dirty deeds....he was offering them in marriage to any pure man who was willing to be straight. I think he just wanted to show them that they can still change and be forgiven. That he believes that someone among them could be good. I don't think he was an evil father. If he could convince someone among them to marry his daughter, then they would be no longer sinners.
And--the story of Abraham serves us as an example of the ultimate sacrifice--and God never intended for him to follow through and actually kill his son--He just wanted to see if Abraham would be willing to do it. And so when he saw that Abraham was willing to do so, out of god's infinite mercy He replaced Abrahams son with an animal. This is why Abraham is referred to as the "Friend of Allah" in the Quran.

Answer 8

he was giving them in the stead of the two Angels. God is very clear on that subject too... we are to love God and his messengers more than any. including your parents and children.

Answer 9

One favored of God, as I recall.

Answer 10

His daughters were special...very special...keep reading...

black bird has spoken..caw...