Joseph Stalin and Hilter. And, Hitler was NOT a Catholic or a Christian. Sheesh, learn some history, will ya?
2006-07-30 06:11:57
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answered by BrotherMichael 6
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I believe that the former seminary student, Mr Dzhuvashvili, a.k.a. Stalin fits the first question. I guess he liked totalitarianism so much, "he bought the company" ... history afforded him an evil methodology, which he applied on a large scale "apotheosis" of a sort.
Mr. Hitler, conversely, knew how to twist the religiosity of his people and actually believed himself to be the Messiah -- certainly another fine example of the totalitarian mind at work. Have you ever read Martin Luther's diatribes against the Jews? If anything, even *more* hate-filled than those of some of the Nazi leaders and doubtless an inspiration to their crimes.
Your examples prove that totalitarians tend to be ruthless and destructive people who willingly exploit religious or anti-religious feelings to evil ends, becuase they only believe in power as means and end.
Frankly, I think the proclamations of belief (whatever belief) from political figures may be a tad suspect. Only actions provide evidence of the actual beliefs motivating behavior, and even then it's not always a clear window into the minds of those people have embraced as "leaders".
Something to think about --- but good questions indeed !
2006-07-30 06:29:00
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answered by Julia C 4
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While it's clear that Hitler had abandoned Christianity by the time he said these things, in 1941, he was not an atheist.
Atheism is a complete lack of belief in deities, providence/fate (of which Hitler spoke often,) and mysticism (which Hitler clearly embraced as evidenced through the relics he collected or sought to collect specifically for their alleged spiritual or magical powers.)
Millions upon millions of people who are neither Christian nor Jew are not atheists.
If Hitler had been either Christian or atheist from cradle to grave, it would not excuse his crimes nor would it explain his crimes and neither could you assume that even one other person who shared his religious beliefs or lack thereof would be prone to committing the same or even any atrocities. In other words, it doesn't matter what religion he was or wasn't.
2006-07-30 06:19:10
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answered by Mel 4
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SINCE YOU KNOW ALL HIS VERSES, OBVIOUSLY YOU ALREADY KNOW THE PERSON. SO WHY WASTE TIME ASKING THIS QUESTION?
WANNA BE A SMART@SS!!!!
ANYWAYS HERE's MY OpinionTO YOUR Question.
And CPRN, she's right, get your facts straight!!!
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, *******? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ."
2006-07-30 06:13:49
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answered by ice_cold 1
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We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
-Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as Chancellor for the first time, Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Aug. 1935, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
He was a christian, atheists aren't the ones trying to hold jews responsible for murdering their least favorite fictional character.
2006-07-30 06:15:21
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answered by corvis_9 5
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http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
sorry pal, but history proves that Hitler was a christian.
he ended up hating Catholicism, that's true, but only because he had different christian beliefs.
You, sir, are a liar.
2006-07-30 06:17:03
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answered by Anonymous
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You mean the guy that wrote it was every Christians right to stand up to the Jew and therefor he was doing "GOD'S WORK"?
More quotes:
"Always before God and the world, the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills"
"The world will not help, the people must help themselves. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it, we may wage the battle of our life The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty - of Him who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward"
"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
"Let us pray in this hour that nothing can divide us, and that God will help us against the Devil! Almighty Lord, bless our fight!"
2006-07-30 06:13:32
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answered by Anonymous
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I don't know, but why does it matter? Why do Christians and Atheists constantly go back and forth with trying to discredit what each other believe in? You aren't going to change anyone of the either side's mind apparently. Why don't we all just get over it and ask questions that you really want to know instead of trying to convert people. There have been lots of crazy people that have killed people in the name of Christianity also.
2006-07-30 06:13:52
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answered by johndavis 2
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Since you already know the answer, why did you ask the question? Ok..so Hitler wasn't Christian...what the hell does that prove? What the hell does it mean? Oh, maybe that's why he rounded up 6,000,000 Christians and gassed and tortured them. Oh...wait...it wasn't 6,000,000 Christians...It was 6,000,000 Jews and 4,000,000 gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and Catholic nuns and priests...what are you trying to prove???
2006-07-30 07:01:10
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answered by Anonymous
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Try reading his personal letters and the biographies of those who knew him, rather than his public propoganda speeches, if you want to know his real religious beliefs. Hitler was a typical politician who said whatever his target audience wanted to hear.
Plus, he was insane.
2006-07-30 06:11:40
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answered by lenny 7
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