why are we proof that god exisits?

Question

simply saying we are proof that god is real doesnt make sense,we choose to breathe air,we choose to put the necssesary nutrients in our bodies needed to survive,if we stopped that we would surely die,i think thats weak when it comes to proving god exists that way,please no scripture,that makes me think you are crazy and confuses me more, and are there any real explanations for why we really exist?i welcome all opinions,but at the same time i would appreciate thought out,scientific answers,and also if we stopped eating/breathing,would god be there to take over so we would not die,if not,isnt that a condradiction in its self as far as god goes?and saying just believe for the sake of just believing doesnt make sense either

Answer 1

Whoa! There is a LOT of bad misconceptions, misunderstood science, and faulty logic in the answers above mine... let me try to clear up a few things.

First to answer your question. If you are asking HOW we came to be, science has a pretty decent handle on it. We still don't understand how the first living thing came about (abiogenesis hypothesis), but we have a good handle on how things went from there. The vast majority of people who don't believe in evolution actually have no idea what it says -- and so they refer to stuff like "chance" and "incredible odds," when in fact randomness plays a very small role in the theory.

If you are asking WHY (meaning "for what purpose") we are here, then I'm afraid science can't help you much. Science doesn't weigh in on questions of purpose -- only questions of mechanics. (This is also why Intelligent Design is not science -- science identifies a process, not a lack of one).

To clear up some points others are making:
ernest77h's answer:
1) "The very fact of the existence of THINGS;...demands a CREATOR!"
This is bad logic, and presumes that which it's trying to prove. Firstly, if the premise is true, then who created God? If God is an exception to the premise, that means the premise is not universal, and therefore you have to prove (not assume) that the universe requires a creator.
2) "The existence of these great laws demands a lawgiver! "
This shows a serious misconception regarding science. The "laws" of science are not unbreakable. For example, both Newton's Laws and the Law of Gravity are wrong once you're working with really small (electron-sized) or really fast (light-speed) things. That's why Einstein is so famous -- he discovered the flaws in these "laws". The laws of science are more aptly termed "descriptions," because they are descriptions of what scientists see. If descriptions need a description-giver, well that's easy, cause it's us! :)
(3) "The intricacy of complex design...."
More faulty logic by analogy. "Designed things are intricate. The universe is intricate. Therefore the universe is designed." It's flawed because sharing a single trait doesn't make things equal. For example: "All crows are black. Fluffy is black. Therefore Fluffy is a crow." Well -- not exactly -- Fluffy could be a black cat, or dog, or bear... etc. It's faulty logic.
4) "Life demands a great LIFE GIVER! "
More faulty logic, similar to #1. Is God alive? Then who is God's life-giver? If God doesn't require one, then the premise is false. Not ALL life demands a life giver.
(5) "Life only comes from preexisting life of the same kind"
This one is funny, because it contradicts (4). (Or is God the same "kind" as all of creation?) On top of that, the "sustaining force" of the planet's life cycle is the Sun, which has more than enough energy to spare. The bottom of almost* every food chain is vegetation. Thirdly, moving from this (incorrect) premise to the whole universe by analogy is a big leap of logic. Finally, even if the universe was "wound," this "winding force" doesn't have to be supernatural, or even alive. This argument is terrible.
(6) "Fulfilled prophecies..."
All holy books have prophecies, which are usually "fulfilled" by fabrication, or by being written so vague that almost anything can fulfill it. I find it funny that those who claim prophecies are still being fulfilled can never actually produce one. They just say things like "It is prophesized there will be a war with the East and many people will die!" Like that's a prophecy... Further, on closer inspection, many prophecies have NOT come true. For a list of examples, see here: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html
"7) The final proof...is answered prayer"
Funny, I guess there are no devoted amputees, because God has never healed one of those. A healing like that would be well-documented and easy to verify, instead of cancers that go into remission on their own and then are attributed to God. Further, saying God performs "miracles" contradicts the claim in #2 about immutable laws, and just follows in the standard God of the Gaps problem. (Google that term for more info).


Hope that clears things up a bit.

And to ernest77h: I don't mind people believing in God, or even criticizing science, but please actually know what you're talking about when you try to talk science -- cause to a real scientist you just sound like an idiot.

Answer 2

We don't currently know where we came from. Of course we did evolve from earlier forms, but that doesn't really answer the question, as we don't know where they came from. There are scientists working on the question, and on the even more fundamental question of why there is anything at all. But the bottom line is that we currently do not know.

That being said, the "God created it all" response is not an answer at all. It's more appropriately labeled a "slogan". If you claim that everything was created by a god, you've moved further from understanding.
- First of all, you need to answer the question "Where did god come from?", so at best, you're right back where you started.
- On top of that, you need to answer the question "How did god create the universe?". That's a far more difficult question than "How did natural processes result in the universe?", which of course is why the creationists never even attempt to answer it.
- Finally, you need to demonstrate the existence of that "god". People have been trying for a long time, with no success (witness all the folks here who believe that these long-discredited illogical arguments are just fine).

It seems clear that we have a choice. We can either continue to try to answer these questions, or we can give up and settle for a religious non-answer. I'll take the former.

Answer 3

We've manage to clone make the impossible possible. If your talking about not eating and not breathing I'll give you a fine example. Ever heard of stories of people not having anything to eat for a very long time?
Take for example some Priest and monks from India who went on a spiritual journey not having anything to eat. I've got a feel of not eating for 6 months but i just cant live without water if i was doing that. And not breathing air? take 9 months in your mothers womb what were you breathing then? See the common patterns? like ying and yang I leave you to think about the rest this is your discovery. A news of a mother who met a car accident able to turn her car over even with a serious injury (Super human strength) the use of determination and will power? I can only ponder the day when Human kind become the deadliest beings in the universe if we were able to tap into the laws of what gives us these phenomenal Intelligence and strengths it can only start from us being made in the image of God. Although on scientific facts that prayer is superstition What if we are actually living and dying gods still trying to tap into our ultimate forms?

Answer 4

Humans are a species of great tool builders, that's what separates us from other animals (apart from genes obviously). If we look at an object, say a table, we know that that table has been built by a human, it doesn't occur natually in nature. This can be applied to almost everything in our society around us, it is all man made.

Then we have to think about how we were made. With all of these intricate items around us that we have built is it such a big leap in thinking to assume somebody constructed us? Well no it isn't, and that's why every culture that has existed has churned out a construction/creation myth.

It's when the big ideas come along that we have problems, the big ideas obviously being evolution, the big bang et al. These ideas are so big and so radical (if you don't study them) that some people have trouble accepting them or at least understanding them, and therefore turn to a simpler explaination.


Everything else is dogma.

Answer 5

1- when u were born u didnt choose to breathe, that was the instinct that God created u with
2- u dont choose to put anything in it if ur body didnt warn u by making u feel hungry or thirsty or faint when u didnt have anything to eat for a long while.. if it was by choice u would just drop dead if u dont eat
3- if u took any biology any day of ur life.. dont u think the human body is wonderful.. the organs, the cells, everything is so precise and accurate.. the flow of blood, the lungs, the brain.. hard to say these things were created on their own.. and starting with only 2 cells??
I dont know what scientific proof u need but isnt it amazing enough that these things exist and evolve that u wonder how were they ever created??
open ur eyes

Answer 6

Okay, no scriptures. From a scientific layperson's viewpoint. We are the living embodiment of proof of God's existance because.... The odds that we were created as beings from one small cell building upon another is astronomically huge. Add to that the odds of each and every type of life on this planet, animal and vegetable, and each of those numbers are also huge. Add to that the odds that we interact and support each other and create a life cycle, well that number is huge too. Put all those numbers together and just how many super-trillions (sorry, I can't count that high and don't know the proper words for it) to 1 are the chances that life happened by accident?

Eliminate the element of chance, and you get ... Design. Thus God.

Answer 7

Why is it that you can breathe the air that you can not see? You do believe that you are breathing air don't you? If not, hold your breath because the air isn't real. That doesn't make sense now does it?
It's the same with God. You can't see him but if you believe, you can feel him. God is a spirit. Why is it so important not to believe in God.

I'd rather believe in him and in the end it comes not to be true, than to not believe in God and in the end, it comes to be true.

Answer 8

sturdy question: 3 dimensional beings can't "see" into different larger --dimensions.think of a 2 dimensional worldwide the place there is only width and breadth.A 2 dimensional being works in a glove production facility and makes a mistake and makes use of all his cloth to make purely left hand gloves.He can't turn them over to cause them to into suitable hand gloves so he asks his buddy who lives in the 0.33 measurement to take a million/2 the gloves into the 0.33 measurement and turn them over and then placed them lower back in the two measurement --a miracle they're now suitable hand gloves. this isn't evidence that there is a god yet as all of us be responsive to there are various unexplained issues. the main suitable clarification we've is that somebody of vastly larger potential exists to offer each and all the complexities of existence and physics.Our worldwide is probably a actual mirrored photograph of that hidden worldwide??? All count is produced from capability E=MC2 If a god exists he ought to be a source of countless capability--a super dynamo yet in finished administration of the capability!! no person provides evidence of a particular god with the aid of fact in the event that they could you does no longer want any faith...it may be self obvious--for this reason people make idols! despite if if such an all efficient being does exist this is in all risk a sturdy element he's hidden from us puny people and any exposure to him could ruin us. If there's a god then he has been around long in the previous Christianity! Say continuously.

Answer 9

Nothing can proof that a deity called God exist. My mind is free of all kind of meaning, The only thing we can say is that he allows to lead all people on one way?
It's a means of control, of power on the population.
You can believe in the deity called God if you really need to believe in something, for some people he makes sense to their life because they need to have faith in something which can show them the way to follow.
I think that if God really exists,so why doesn't he stop all those wars?
People (kids) are killed every day since many years and years!
Does that make sense to you?
I don't think so!

Answer 10

I understand how you feel about this Jen. I felt the same way for many years. I'm not sure that anything of spirit can be proven scientifically. That seems to be a contradiction or oxymoron.

This is by no means scientific, but at least its not a meaningless bible quote. I can't make you believe anything, all I can do is speak from my heart and tell you what finally convinsed me that God must actually exist.

Several years ago I had an unusual experience concerning an uncle, a distant relative who lived over a thousand miles away.

While driving my car I suddenly felt the unmistakable presence of this relative that I hardly even knew. He was more like someone I had heard about than someone I knew. It was very strange; it felt as though I was momentarily lifted right out of my physical body. I seemed to be suspended somehow beyond space and time, bathed in a love so intense It felt like I could have just disappear into it at any moment if It would have let me. It only lasted for a few seconds, but it seemed to last forever at the same time. I realize how crazy this must sound. The experience was so strong that at first I was afraid I was loosing my grip on reality. I finally managed to chalk it up to an over active imagination.

Three days later I got a call from my aunt telling me that this uncle we are talking about had gone into a coma and died the day I had the experience. It felt like ice water had been poured down my back when she told me this. I had lost any real ideas of God or faith and had become somewhat of an atheist. Needless to say this experience caused me to rethink some of the conclusions I had come to.

I feel blessed to now understand that even in our darkest confusion something loves us so much that it went out of its way to assist me and bring me back to a state of absolute certainty about Gods love for us.
During the experience it seemed like there was a vast amount of information that I was somehow allowed access to. One thing that I came away from this experience understanding beyond any shadow of a doubt was that any Idea that God is unhappy with us or would judge or allow us to be punished for any reason is simply impossible.

I can’t explain the love I felt with words. They simply don’t make words big enough or complete enough to do this. The only way I can begin to convey this love to you is to say that there was simply nothing else there. Nothing but love. No hint of judgment, no displeasure of any sort. It is as though God sees us as being as perfect as we were the day we were created. It is only in our confused idea of ourselves that we seem to have changed.

I hope this is of some help to you. Good luck. Love and blessings.

Your brother don