from a muslim to people who thinks god doenst exist or have doubts?

Question

when you see a clock you need no proof to know that there was a wise designer and maker behind that clock, now in a greater scale look at all the order in the universe , coming and giong of seasons, day and night, rain cycle... the way our body works, hormones and.... ... ...
how can you say "oh it was all accidental" ,
the probability that it all is accidental is absolute 0 (if you have studied probability in the mathematics)
why do you want to base your life in 0 probability??.
I am a muslim and i believe in one god who is the best , all knowing , most powerfull, ..... who created everything and sustain them and has no son and doughter or wife or a partner. who hasnt been created himself and is eternal.

gwas, so you can analyze the way rain cycle for example works, the point is you undrestand that there was a designer and maker behind it

yes surely there is one god for all of us my christian friend, the god who created the earth , universe , you and me

by absolute 0 i ment too close to it like
1*10^(10000000000000000000000000000)

oh the right one is 10^(-100000000....... ... ...

the god was eternal and had no creator.
the thing is you cant apply this rule to god
he is beyond our imagination and he made the rules

the evolution and how the stars dies and new stars come to life non pf these proves that god doenst exist. these events that appear to us so great and long they are all created and designed by god , god is the sourse, best in everything .
by the way as our knowledge progresses if one question gets solved more questions gets created,thats why we can never know the truth based on our materialistic knoledge alone.we need fait

Answer 1

you are right. It is absolutely true. God does exist. I think we know this better only if we look inside ourselves and b e totally sincere

Answer 2

"the probability that it all is accidental is absolute 0"

I agree, it wasn't an accident. An accident implies that a mistake was made. There was no mistake made because there was no one to make the mistake. The universe came about by chance, it was not an accident or designed by anyone or anything.

Your whole argument is based around the assumption that everything has a creator. The clock didn't just appear, therefore it had a creator. The universe didn't just appear, therefore it had a creator. But what about this god being you talk about? If god exists, it must have had a creator just like the clock and the universe. Who created the creator that created god? See, this is where your argument completely falls apart.

Answer 3

Congratulations, you don't understand science. The existence of a clock does not prove a designer, although a clock means there likely was one. It's possible, if unlikely, for a clock to spontaneously exist, thanks to quantum tunnelling and all that. Additionally, the universe is unimaginably immense, and the interaction of gravity, electromagnetism, and the nuclear forces mean that, over time, there will be planets and, on some of those planets, there will be lightning storms and such, which will create amino acids, which will eventually become extremely simple forms of life, which will over billions of years evolve into other, more complex organisms, eventually reaching humans. This may seem very unlikely, but:

1) the human mind is unequipped to think about things on the scale of billions of years or the size of the universe. If we have people denying evolution, which takes place over mere thousands to millions of years in some cases (like animals on isolated islands that have to adapt), and only 500 years ago people thought that there was nothing beyond our solar system, WELL.

2) the Anthromophic Principles say, basically, the reason the universe exists in its form is because otherwise we couldn't observe it and wonder about how improbable it is. Assuming that there are infinite universes (as some scientists believe) or that the universe continually collapses and re-Big Bangs (as some scientists believe, and leading to effectively infinite universes), and that there is even a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of intelligent life existing in any of them, there will still be, due to how infinity works, an infinite number of universes with intelligent life in them. And we're in one of them.

Granted, scientists aren't yet sure just why the universe exists in the first place, but that doesn't prove anything. There have always been unanswered questions in science, and we are always getting closer to the answers. Just because we don't know why something happened doesn't mean that it was due to the influence of a superior being or beings. 200 years ago, we didn't know why magnets worked, but that doesn't mean it was due to God making them attract metal.

Now, I myself am decently sure that there is, in fact, some form of superior being, but I certainly am not arrogant enough to think that I can know what form it has. If there is any evidence for it, it's either extremely noncredible (2000 year old and heavily mistranslated, easily faked books) or not interpretable by me (the shape of fish reveals THE TRUTH!). And that is why I don't like religious people who are completely sure that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

edit: I also hate how people say "oh, there's no reason to believe (i.e. proof) that some god doesn't exist, therefore he does." Word to the not-so-wise: The burden of proof is on those who say that some god does exist. And there is absolutely no proof of any god's existence, period. There are merely the flailings about of people who want a god to exist, and choose the most creditable. The bible is not proof unless you already believe that it is true. That's bad logic, right there. Don't bring religion into science unless you want to be laughed at.

There are thousands of religions in the world. It is impossible for more than one of them to be correct. Most people are in the religion they are in due to random chance - born into a Christian family, converted to Islam in an act of rebellion, etc - and are never even exposed to the vast majority of religions. Even if one of the religions is correct, the chances are vastly against any particular person being in the correct one.

edit2: the god was eternal and had no creator.
the thing is you cant apply this rule to god
he is beyond our imagination and he made the rules

Why can't you? If he's eternal, why can't the universe be? That's hypocrisy, there.

Answer 4

I think that reflects your mindset.

You're happy to just accept that someone made the clock. I believe that someone made the clock on the basis of knowing how clocks work, HOW they are made, and knowledge that people have made clocks during history.

I've never seen God make the Universe, and neither has anyone else.

And if God designed the universe, how can you accept God was accidental. Surely something must have designed him?

Your argument is nonsensical and circular.

Answer 5

you obviously haven't studied probably because it isn't zero. lol.
"absolute zero" is a temperature.....it means 0 kelvin.

i can because i think it probably was.
you can't compare a clock to a human being either. one is a machine and the other is an organism. a clock isn't alive. find a better example.

Answer 6

Yes, thanks for your statement about god. How about Jesus Christ? can you tell us if He is coming at the end of days so that He will judge the world, Him and the Mahdi. I hope that you would tell people who don't know about what is written in the Hadith Sharif about Jesus' return to judge the world. That would be something very interesting for them to know. Also, provide references of Hadith Sharif if you want to amend your question and add this about Jesus.

Answer 7

God is one (La Elaha Ella Allah). But people with their hearts 'locked' will never accept the truth, and GOD shall punish them for their disbelief.
Try this link:
http://beconvinced.com/en/article.php?articleid=0101&catid=03&subcatname=Existence%20Of%20God

Answer 8

As a Christian.....

I know God exists.

Your not suggesting Islam and Christians have the same God? surely not.

Answer 9

No, i do no longer think of i think that he almighty exists. a good style of miracles surpassed off with me via praying, and that i dare who those do no longer have confidence that those form of miracles surpassed off via coinsedence.

Answer 10

i can take a clock apart and see how it works your example makes no logical sense