Why do some Christians who say they believe the Bible, not believe in predestination?

Question

See Romans 8:29-30 and Ephesians 1:5 & 11

Answer 1

I knew you were going to ask that! 80-)

Answer 2

You can't lift Romans 8 and 9 out of the total context of Paul's developing argument. Read through the conclusion of chapter 11 and you'll see what I mean. The only way you can get predestination out of the scriptures is to use a few out-of-context verses as proof-texts.

Answer 3

Read the rest of Romans and you will see this in context. Predestination is a part of Calvinism that lets them off the hook for evangelism.
Read "The sovereignty of God": by AW Pink. It will explain predestination vs foreordination. God knows the end from the beginning but has given us free wills.

Answer 4

There is predestination. God has predetermined that "whosoever will" (Rev 22:17) believe and obey the plan that is to be preached to "every creature" in "all the world" (Mark 16:16) "shall be saved" (Mark 16:16).

The plan for redemption was predestined, not the individual persons who will follow that plan. It is predetermined that anyone who follows the plan will be saved.

It is up to us to choose who we will serve.

"Choose you this day whom ye will serve" (Josh 24:15)

Answer 5

There are many "hard" sayings in the Word. The truth is we as humans simply cannot grasp all the principles of God, especially this side of glory. As mere humans we cannot understand how God can love us all and yet predestine some as vessels of wrath. But all it really shows is that He alone is God of all and we are mere mortals.

Answer 6

God made a way possible and told people how to take advantage of the opportunity. But He also gave us freewill and so we can choose to take advantage of the opportunity or not. It's up to each of us individually.

It's like Donald Trump opening a business and announcing that he'll hire everyone who applies, but if you don't apply, you don't get hired. Is it predestination or lost opportunity?

Answer 7

Romans 8
29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained (to be) conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:

Eph 1
5 having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

11 in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will;

This almost take to long to explain but in short:
At the fall of Satan, (the war in heaven and earth [Long before Adam]) some men fought for God so well he loved them and pre-ordained them.

Look at the birth of Jacob and Esau God said of Jacob I loved and of Esau I hated. Had hated Had loved. They had to do something for that before they were born.

You have to understand earth ages (there are 3) and in the first earth age there was war that destroyed the earth.

See the AND in Gen 1:2 it means that a lot more is said then written here!

Answer 8

Because they don't want to think deeply about the subject. When they get to the part where they have to ask themselves "would God really create people knowing that they were going to Hell" their mind rebels because they love God and think that somehow such a teaching paints Him in an unfavorable light.

But the Bible clearly says that God created some people to be with Him forever and some to face destruction.

John 6:43 Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honored use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

You cannot find one passage in the Bible that says that people are saved because it is a choice that they make. It is God who saves some people and He does it on purpose.

Answer 9

Maybe we read the WHOLE bible and find predestination does not fit.

Answer 10

If they are Christians and it's in the Bible they should believe it. It is there, therefore I believe it. They may not believe in it for this day and age, but, accept and believe the Bible times.

Answer 11

What do you do with John 3:16 - 17? Jesus died for the world.