Tell me Why?

Question

Tell me Why do you who are Believers and those who are not
Feel that Abortion is not Murder............When the Egg and the Sperm come together it makes a LIVING Cell.........your body is made up of Millions of Living cells but you still feel that Stem Cell resarch is ok and Abortion is fine..........Lets take out the Living Cells in Adults body and see if there is still and argument on this issue..........I think it is because you can't see it so it is ok........
some in put from those who disagree with me
please no smart remarks just trying to feel what you are thinking to understand your point of view.......
.................=)

Answer 1

Look, life never ends just continues.
Example...
A farmer plants dry seeds into the ground. When the right conditions exist they grow.
Was the dry seed dead? Think not. It was a form of life that was ready to be born.
When an egg is fertilized it is the continuation of life.
Choice comes before impregnation, not after.
Abortion ends a life. Irregardless of when.
You see in our society when you are dead you have no rights.
Now we have not given any credibility to a life and after Abortion the people doing it justify it with saying it was not a life and since the fetus is dead it has no rights.
What if?????
A fetus aborted could have really contributed to society.
Wouldn't it be different if items we use on a daily basis wee not invented because abortion took their lives?

Sad thought but hey, Abortion is murder.

God Bless

Answer 2

It's a poor example or argument to use the heartbeat as an affirmation of "Living". Thousands of human organs are harvested each year from accident victims while thier hearts are still beating and most are breathing on their own (or respirator). All have no functional brain capacity. Removal for the organs for others, will certainly result in phsyiologic death for the accident victim. It will result in 'Life" for the recipient of the organs, especially in the case of a heart. If we waited until the accident victim was completely dead, we would not be able to use the organs harvested. We (society) feel this process is Okay because as a society we have set the standard of "living" as functional brain capacity.

Your argument of when a sperm and egg get together and share DNA is true that they are a Living Cell, however, each cell was "living" also before uniting DNA. You proved the obvious, but what it proves is meaningless. Your point you try to make is the Life starts at conception, which many do not agree. The term conception is controversial in itself. many of the Pro-Life movement term conception as the moment of fertilization before implantation into the uterine wall. However, the origin of the word Conception is fro the latin root "Capio" which means to "grasp, to take hold, or recieve into the body". Until implantation occurs(betwwen 6-7 days after fertilization), there's no way this living cell is going to survive anyways. In fact, most fertilized eggs never implant into the uterine wall. While estimates vary, science is in consensus that this natural abortion process occurs between 60-80% of the time for fertilized eggs. Call it nature or God's will, as a percentage, people cause much few abortions than God or nature.

You, like many, try to make a conection bewtween Abortion and Stem Cell research. I am not aware of any group using post abortion parts in Stem Cell research. All stem cells are obtained from fertilized eggs left to die after fertility interventions. Because none of these fertilized eggs have never been implanted, it is viewed that no conception has occured, hence the acceptance of the proceedure.

Answer 3

This is a very difficult debate.
It is a murder of a future human being, but I can tell you that there are a lot worse things than death.
If a child is born unwanted than both it's life and the lives of it's parents are ruined.
If a child lives in such a environment it suffers and when it grows up it becomes bitter and inexperienced in love. If that child has children of it's own than it will take it out on it's children and spouse in case it is a man (the case of my father).
Or it will suffer in silence and continue to be abused if it's a woman (very common story)
In that way the suffering will continue for generations to come, creating something known worldwide as Carma. Thus proving that Carma does exist but has nothing to do with spirituality, just of people being tough to be victims, offenders ,winners or losers by their close environment.
You also can't judge people for doing it until you are put in the same situation.

Answer 4

Guilt chases away reason sometimes.

I believe that if the Pro Abortionist can refer to the embryo as they would an ameoba, they have quelled their need to justify the murder.

Just don't call it human, then it may as well be a rotifer or paramecium. After that, who cares?

In the meantime, laywers get involved and we get partial birth abortion. That's were we get a subjective line drawn that says: many people agree that the fetus is still a fetus until it breathes air from it's lungs. Therefore it's not murder of a child until that child's head is out of the womb and it's breathing. So cut off it's chance to breathe, and it's still a legal abortion.

No wonder Jesus said:
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
He was not talking about abortion, but do you see the behavior as being similar?

Answer 5

This depends on what you see as being your primary reality.

Each of us is a combination of spirit and body. The spirit is not physical and the body is not spiritual. For this reason I see us as being spirit having a human experience. I see spirit as our primary reality and the human or body part of us as being our secondary reality.

Our human experience is an important learning environment for spirit where it can experience many things that would be difficult for spirit to understand in its true state.

Death is no more than an exit strategy for spirit to use to disconnect from this secondary reality that is our human experience when the lessons have been learned.

Some come to learn, others come to teach. The length of the life is not the real issue unless you chose to make it the issue.

All things that happen can teach us something. All of it is a gift from God. Your judging some gifts as more important or correct than others makes this your reality, but it does not make it mine.

Love and blessings

don

Answer 6

I don't understand how anyone could be against abortion- surely the last thing we want is more people being born, what with overpopulation and all.

I'm also calling bullshit on that "25 hours" thing, 25 hours after conception, the embryo isn't even implanted in the uterine wall, its cells are not differentiated into tissues.

Answer 7

I too think that Abortion is murder, as well that i am totally and completely disagree with the stem cells research, its wrong because to my knowledge and is short "Life is God business"

Answer 8

Well, my stance would fall on the pro-life side, but things are a little more complicated than that. I will just throw a few ideas out.

1. For example, I had heard of this statistic before and was easily able to find a site that verified it (http://www.babycenter.com/refcap/252.html#0):

"About 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, and more than 80 percent of these losses happen before 12 weeks. This doesn't include situations in which you lose a fertilized egg before you get a positive pregnancy test. Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she's pregnant, because they happen so early that she goes on to get her period about on time."

If you assume that a soul is placed within an egg when it becomes fertilized, up to half of them die. Half. That's 50%. And it also means that often, when they die, you don't even know that it has happened. We should be having funerals left and right, if the fertilized egg is as equal a person as a living, breathing baby.

The idea that a soul is placed within the egg at fertilization, then, seems very horrific to some people -- it's an awful lot of souls for God to "waste." So many of them draw a later line for the viability of the baby.

2. Many people believe that people should be able to make choices regarding their body. They don't think "abortion is fine" (many of them dislike abortion and are upset when people use it as a form of birth control), they think "choice" is still better -- especially if it's not clear when a fertilized egg is going to survive anyway. They find your assumption that they think "abortion is fine" as much as you would hate them saying that "You are for the enslavement of women by not controlling their own bodies." The motivations for both positions are usually different than those.

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The Stem Cell research topic is complicated as well.

1. There is no way to "prove" the pro-life movement is right, if someone doesn't believe a fertilized egg is a human being to start with. In fact, it seems very silly to many people.

2. On one side, you have a mass of cells that barely resemble a human being; on the other side, you have obvious tangible human beings who you can talk to and communicate with, and are suffering and struggle with a host of physical ills. From the secular human being's point of view, it is cruel NOT to help these people -- they are morally offended that anti-stem-cell folks do not regard real people more highly.

3. I am no expert on stem cells, but the majority of lines that Bush approved for research were useless for that purpose (so it was more a political move than anything). I'm not sure about harvesting cells from live donors (from the blood or other areas) -- I've heard complaints from both sides on that.

Bush's recent photo-op with "adopted embryo" babies was also blown out of proportion; by one statistic, 125 embroyos have been adopted and carried to term, resulting in a born baby, while thousands upon thousands of embryos are routinely thrown out. People simply do not want to adopt these embryos, so they sit in freezers for decades until "murdered" (by standard pro-life terms) by being thrown out. Should we even be using these sort of infertility treatments, that create so many embryos (i.e., "people") to be destroyed? Christians don't seem to be too up in arms about this destruction of human life.

The best argument I can make against using frozen embryos for stem cell research is simply a moral one: If we start treating human beings as "genetic material" to screw around with, we create an attitude of dehumanizing people. From a pragmatic point of view, this reason is often not good enough to dismiss the good they view that could come from stem cell research.

Those are some of the arguments I've picked up. I think the clearest thing for you to keep in mind is that many people who are "pro-choice" are not pro-choice for selfish reasons; they actually believe there is moral value in their stance, and so we have to acknowledge that when we communicate with them, even if we come to a different stance on the issue.

Answer 9

Though the child has not yet taken the 'breath of life', it is murder.

We are not under the old Law, but this will show you how God feels about it. As far as he is concerned abortion justifies the death penalty. No, we can't kill someone if they intentionally abort a child. Just showing how God hates it. Why chance displeasing God is he hates abortion that much?

Exodus 21:22-25 (English Standard Version)
English Standard Version (ESV)

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22"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23But if there is harm,[a] then you shall pay life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Exodus 21:22-25 (American Standard Version)
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22 And if men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart, and yet no harm follow; he shall be surely fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 But if any harm follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Answer 10

You don't want to understand anyhting, you want to feel ritious.
And you can do so all you like, once you agree to adopt every baby you force a woman to have as well as supplementing her income and compensating her for the pain and discomfort of pregnancy.