Creationists, you DO realize that there is NO debate in the scientific community about evolution right?

Question

Many of you keep saying that there is some ongoing "debate" in the scientific community with regards to Evolution.
Let me educate you, there is NO such debate. None.
Evolution is an established scientific fact.
Here is a list for you;
http://www.natcenscied.org/resources/articles/5945_the_faqs_2_16_2003.asp
That is a list of scientists that, of course, agree that Evolution is a fact. The funny thing? All of thier first names are Steve.
So, if that many acredited scientists with the SAME first name accept the reality of Evolution, how many more do you think we have on ourside?
The fact is, the only "scientists" that say otherwise are charlatans like Ken Hovind, who's "diploma" was bought from an online diploma mill. Here is an interesting link about your "Dr." Hovind;
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/607180319/1006
So you see, no acredited scientist refutes the facts of Evolution. That's merely another creationist fantasy.

Sigh.
It looks like we have to explain what the word "theory" means to the pin-heads out there.
Thanks "thebigm57" for reminding me that something so fundamentally simple needs to be re-stated to you idiots ad-nausem before you finally "get it" (if ever).
But here is a good link. That is, if you have the intellectual capacity to understand;
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

Please read and try to understand. If you have questions, just ask and I'll try to explain it in small words so you don't get too confused...

Crockett, the question is up there at the beginning. It's that sentence with the question mark at the end.
Sorry I couldn't make it simpler for you. Perhaps someone at home has an education above the 3d grade and can point it out to you...

Maryanne,
Pious Fraud might be a typical creationist tactic, but it's still fraud.
Any REAL biochemist would know the meaning of the word "Theory" in a Scientific context. Since you don't, it's clear you're lying about being a biochemist.
QED.

Answer 1

Creationists, along with other varieties of Christian apologist, tend to distort what the professional consensus is concerning evolution, by playing on semantics. You are correct that evolution is an accepted reality among the vast majority of scientists, and much of our modern research in genetics and molecular biology is predicated on evolutionary assumptions. The only people who deny it are those scientists who have a theological agenda.

However, as with any scientific area, there is debate concerning evolutionary mechanics, or how it works, NOT the overall validity of the system of thought itself. What Creationists like to do, in their usual deceitful manner, is take the debate concerning the inner workings of evolution, and portray that as colossal disagreement concerning the validity of evolutionary theory as whole. Quite simply, they lie in order to float their theology as a valid competing scientific theory.

When it comes down to it, Creationism cannot be a valid science because you cannot explain one mystery with another mystery that is more ambiguous than the mystery you are trying to explain. As David Brooks quipped : “To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy.”

Answer 2

Hmmmmm, ....... Science by itself requires neither the acceptance nor the rejection of the supernatural. No accredited scientist refutes the fact that all living organism evolve .... there are countless theories on how life was created.

Or do you have a personal cross to bare some predetermined agenda or bias which precludes logic.

Every scientist knows that there is no single scientific method. Some of the methods of science involve logic, e.g., drawing inferences or deductions from hypotheses, or thinking out the logical implications of causal relationships in terms of necessary or sufficient conditions.

Some of the methods are empirical, such as making observations, designing controlled experiments, or designing instruments to use in collecting data. Many scientific theories including evolution involve logic which is akin to the use of faith .... for what is the real difference between an intuitive leap and faith.

No scientific theory can be proved with absolute certainty and our philosophers widely disagree on the relational nature of scientific theories. Philosophy is the science of wonder and the one "true" science fact I know of is that for a theory to hold any weight it must be able to be replicated.

What human history most ably demonstrates is that whatever the majority of scientists perceived as an absolute scientific fact will be transcended by the next intuitive leap.

Answer 3

I'm impressed...not. This is copied straight from yoiur first link, Project Steve.

About two thirds are biologists (when we last counted, at any rate). (There are, unsurprisingly, few biologists to be found on the creationist lists.) Most are scientists; there are a few borderline cases (economists, philosophers, psychiatrists, science educators, medical researchers, computer scientists, and so forth). Nearly all are Ph.D.s; there are a few M.D.s and Ed.D.s.

Economists, philosophers, psychiatrists, computer scientists? Whoa!!! They REALLY know what they are talking about in regards to evolution, especially in regards to the Bible or Quran or Torah. I find it funny that your question is one really not to get an answer, but to justify the whole "THEORY" of evolution. And no, it is not a fact. It's a therum. Granted, a logical one, but still a theory. Just like dark matter...it's a theory, they can prove it, all scientific conjecture. I like science honestly, I just don't like the fact that people get so close minded that there is only one truth. In all actuality, the Bible and science go hand in hand. Just not word for word. Example...creation...whose to say that the creation of man did not happen in days, but over a lond period of time? It is referenced in the Bible that time has no meaning to God, that a blink of the eye of God is as a thousand years. So think about it. Seven days for God. Hmmm...So, my suggestion to you and all creationists...don't be so closed minded as to absolutely refute any other possiblities.

Answer 4

I beg to differ, there is a program on TBN that features a scientist, or maybe more than one that supports the biblical creation. I listened a few times and honestly it was over my head. They talk about the mathematical equation of everything and how precise especially the solar system is and how it could never have come together randomly. I don't know if its still on or not, you could contact TBN, the Christian network and ask them. They explained how scientists are black balled if they go against evolution in the scientific community. That's probably why you never have heard of opposing views on the subject.

Answer 5

Evolution is ony a theory.... the evidence is more against it...not for it.....it is accepted as a matter of comfortable tradition, and not wanting to have to think through the issue... most of the early "evidence" was prooven to be fraudulent. But since many scientists, not all, are aetheists, and have no other explanation, they just go along with the theory as fact.

Marianne, Biochemist

Answer 6

I am a Christian, and I believe that God created the world. However, I don't discount the idea that evolution occurs. Indeed, we can see it happening on a small scale in certain species over a short period of time if we alter their environment. I don't think that a belief in the tenets of science is inconsistent with belief in God. Yes, evolution occurs, but there is no solid proof that man and apes came from a common ancestor. It is a theory. However, even if this is the case, it does not mean that God was not behind it.

Answer 7

Nice try. It would not be called a "theory" if it was an already established fact.

And there are many genuine scientists that disagree with evolution. Just because Ken Horvind is a fake doesn't mean they all are.
You need to do your research.

God bless!

Answer 8

Well, Yoda,
Did you know that there was no debate among the scientific community about the world being flat only a few hundred years ago?
There was also no debate about the theory that the earth was the center of the solar system and that heavy objects fall faster than lighter objects.
Now, there's no debate about evolution. It's just bad science with many false assumptions. You can pick on Hovind all you like, but the man has some real arguments that can't be answered by evolutionists.
He's not the only one. There are hundreds of others that believe in creation. But since when does majority opinion dictate what is true?
The majority of Nazis believed that Jews weren't human. Are they right because they all believed that? The majority of whites believed that blacks were sub human in the not too distant past. Were they right because they were the majority?
Your reasoning is a result of being brainwashed just like the Nazis were.
I challenge you to listen to at least 5 audio files of this link that I post here. If you are an open minded person you will do so. A true scientist looks for truth. However, people like yourself seem to look at evidence which only supports your belief.
I have extensively studied both sides and the more I study evolution, the sillier and more absurd it becomes.

http://www.nwcreation.net/audio/index.html

And if numbers is what impresses you instead of fact, here is something else for you.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&program=CSC%20-%20Views%20and%20News&id=2732

Upallnight,
First of all, you didn't stump me. You refused to see the reality of my arguments. There was nothing you said that had me second guessing anything. You twisted my words on many occasions and it became quite frustrating. You did it here. I didn't say anything about a percentage of scientists that are Christian. I will never say anything like that because I don't care what percentage of who believes what.

You self proclaim being correct because you choose to see only one side of the story. No surprise because that is what most evolutionists do. Am I supposed to stop believing what I know to be true because you're too thick headed to see that I'm right? I'll answer any question I wish in whatever manner I wish, thank you.

I couldn't email you anymore because your arrogance causes you to only want to debate and not search for truth. I like to have discussions with people, not brick walls. You are devoted to your religion more than you realize.

Post whatever you like. You will find that there will be people who agree with both of us. What will that prove? You are just like the person asking this question. You believe that approval from others is what makes you correct. Even if I was the last person on earth who believed in creation it wouldn't change my beliefs. I feel sorry for people who need to conform to majority opinion. They are not individual thinkers but conformists who need to feel secure through majority opinion.

Second of all, if you have something to say, you have my email address. I find it interesting that you didn't answer this question and only addressed me. I wonder why you would do something like that? If you have something to say to me specifically, then email me.

Lastly,
Don't publicly insult me again. Have some respect for others and treat them with respect.

Answer 9

Did you ever see the movie "Inherit the Wind"....?

It's very old.

This issue has been settled for quite some time.

Intelligent people realize that while evolution is the most reasonable scientific explanation for the existence of the human race......

anybody who believes that God created the human race ALSO believes that God created evolution... that it was used as God's tool for creating all of nature. And who is to say that God's day is the same 24-hour day that we think of?

Spencer Tracy said it better. See the flick, it's a classic.

P.S. If you don't want to believe in God, that's fine. But quit trying to talk other people out of what they believe. Faith is a wonderful thing, and it is a matter of personal choice.

Answer 10

Sal,
Do I need to show everyone our debate? I stumped you then and now I find you here still preaching the same garbage. Are you a gluton for punishment or are you still in denial?

"55 % of scientist are non Christian, that means 45% are Christian."

You forgot to mention that 99.9% of scientists agree with evolution.

Evolution is still debated by scientists. But they are debating on the most effective uses. Not if it happens.

Answer 11

i think of they are desperate. Like that guy above me. they only parrot an identical lame arguments repeatedly making use of further and extra caps of their rants. even however those arguments have some time past been debunked. there isn't any "controversy" on the subject of evolution. there is in basic terms debate as to its motives. the actuality of evolution is on no account in question. this is going to pass on and on, accumulating mountains of info, at an identical time as creationist theories flounder of their lack of know-how..