The problem here is logic vs faith.Do some Christians have a clue as to what a logical argument is?

Question

Seriously! One woman said to me that she did not care that her argument is circular. It seems that most Christians simply do not know how to state a logical argument, nor care.
Its like they are saying that 2+2 =3.

Do you know what a fallacious argument is? False analogy? Deduction v induction?

Answer 1

Like you said, the only kind of logic they know is circular logic. "The Bible is true because it says so."

Answer 2

Christians have a wide cross section of people and some are more aware of logical fallacies that other

I am reading Scriptrue Alone by RC Sproul and he analyzes alot of posistions pointing out such fallacies which woul dmay be interested in

Christians have no monopoly on making logical mistakes, unbelievers make plenty as well. Christians are called to love God with all their heart, soul, MIND and strength so they should be concerned. And as far as great arguments they have the high ground and better arguments. It takes a heart willing to not reject the truth the truth goes through the mind but it may get opposed not by a rational mind but by the preferences of the heart and it takes grace to get further

Answer 3

Among your wondering about other people's arguments, did you realize that the evidence you presented was merely anecdotal. Are you sure this one case warranted this "inductive leap"?

Many times per hour a question poser or responder in this category will claim that all Christians or all religious people in general are “dumb,” “ignorant,” “stupid,” or something of this nature. No substantiation will be given for this theory (statistics related to IQ tests, grade point averages, etc.). Broad sweeping generalizations like this fail to take into account the intelligence diversity in any large group. The accusation, ironically, appears dumb, ignorant, or stupid itself. It ends up being little more than unsubstantiated name-calling.

How then shall we respond once this has occurred? If we remain silent, the simple-minded among us might actually believe that all of a certain people group lack intelligence, so silence is not an option. If those outside the category of Christians or religious people would disavow incorrect and unnecessarily belittling attacks, then perhaps peer pressure from their own group would cause them to pursue correct and helpful discussion point. If Christians in particular and religious people in general will politely articulate the incorrectness of this fallacy without seeking retribution, then perhaps it will take away the perceived benefits of the name-calling in the first place.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, look carefully at such accusations and ask for the Spirit’s leading on whether this is one of those “turn the other cheek” moments (Matt 5:39) or one of those “be prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you” moments (1 Pet 3:15).

May God bless the constructive dialog in this category.

Answer 4

You must remember that faith does not require logic. Faith is believing in something that you cannot prove. But if you want to use logic, try explaining why scientists must say that they have "solved the mystery". More often than not they end up being wrong because of a flaw in their logic. Why can't science explain gravity? Why can't science explain time? Astronomers want to define the nature of the universe using time and gravity as constants. What if they're not? Every model of the universe ever developed by scientists would be wrong and your back to square one. Science attempts to "prove" things based on available knowledge, but, you must limit your hypothesis to what is already known. The mysteries of the universe are always going to be mysteries. Just accept it and enjoy your time in the here and now.

Answer 5

that's not true! faith IS logical.

we all use faith every day.

you have faith that your doctor will perscribe the right medication for you

you have faith that the u.s. postal service will deliver your mail

you have faith that your car will get you to work every morning

you have faith that the water you drink is pure and uncontaminated

you have faith that your spouse isn't cheating on you

you have faith that the reports in the morning news are accurate

even scientists have faith that the scientists before them used the correct methods and were honest and accurate in reporting their findings.

faith IS logical; in fact, it's necessary to be able to interact meaningfully with our world. logic doesn't conflict with faith; it supports it! Here are some of the reasons why faith in God is logical:



There are approximately 11 million species of life on earth, including humans. Did all of these, including the universe itself, begin by chance?

Only one system of belief, or worldview, can be consistent with reality. Multiple truth values for multiple cultures – they call this multi-culturalism – is a contradiction in terms.

Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?

The implications of the Second Law of Thermodynamics are considerable. The universe is constantly losing usable energy and never gaining. We logically conclude the universe is not eternal. The universe had a finite beginning -- the moment at which it was at "zero entropy" (its most ordered possible state). Like a wind-up clock, the universe is winding down, as if at one point it was fully wound up and has been winding down ever since. The question is who wound up the clock?

The Bible is the most extensive and authenticated historical document in existence. It has extensive falsifiable details that have proven to be accurate by archeology. The integrity of the handed down text has been proven to be virtually the same as the original text or text documented soon after the historical events.

C. S. Lewis stated that Jesus was either Lord, liar, or lunatic. Josh McDowell referred to this argument as a “trilemma.” The argument was that Jesus couldn’t be just a great moral teacher as some have argued. He either had to be Lord, liar, or lunatic! Since He didn’t fit the stereotype of a liar or lunatic at all, He had to be Lord. The evidence for Jesus to be God is overwhelming even though many do not accept Him now just as they didn’t accept Him as God when He was on earth. However, that lack of acceptance has nothing to do with the facts.

The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus is the best documented event in history. Details of this event were predicted by more than 100 unique prophecies in the Old Testament written long before the event. Many of the prophecies were the kind that couldn’t be faked. Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh. His documented wisdom confounded His adversaries and His miracles verified He is God.

The non-existence of God cannot be proven.

The concept, design, and intricate details of our world necessitate an intelligent designer.

40% of American scientists still believe in a personal God. This does not include scientists who believe in an impersonal God or in a God who does not answer prayer. Nor does it include scientists who believe in a personal God, but don’t believe in the immortality of the human soul.

The premise of the Big Bang is that the entire universe was compacted into a teeny tiny little ball, which, after randomly coming into existence for no apparent reason in the first place, exploded into all space, time, matter and energy in an instant.

The Law of Causality (observed effects require a related cause).

Since Darwin put forth his theory, scientists have sought fossil evidence indicating past organic transitions. Nearly 150 years later, there has been no evidence of transition found thus far in the fossil record.

The estimated the probability of forming a single enzyme or protein at random, in a rich ocean of amino acids, was no more than one in 10 to the 20th power. The likelihood of forming all of the 2000+ enzymes used in the life forms of earth is approximately one chance in 10 to the 40,000th power.



God is the most logical thing there is! Faith makes sense.

Answer 6

Okay, what would you like stated logically? And what did you put on the table for logical debate or argument?

Logic vs. Faith
Logic vs. Love
Logic vs. Compassion
Logic vs. Integrity of character
Logic vs. Honor
Logic vs. Sin
Logic vs. Selfishness
Logic vs. Greed
Logic vs. Immorality

Pick one. And get back with me. We'll do lunch.

Answer 7

The answer here is logic vs logic. We as Christians do not have to argue. The Bible is our answer if you like it except it, if not then move on, but come Judgment Day don't look around and say "Lord no one ever told me about you".

Answer 8

Your own logic is rather flawed as you're painting with an extremely broad brush here.

There are many Christians who are brilliant and logical, and there are many who are not and rely entirely upon what others feed them for better or worse.

You will find Christians among PhD's and you'll find them among the simple and unlearned.

Perhaps you could dedicate a touch more thought to your question.

As for me, I prefer to employ logic and am quite certain that God is real and is who He proclaims Himself to be.

Answer 9

you can't really have a discussion, when one side doesn't know or understand the other side. faith is something you have without knowing first, and then you work on the knowing part - I believe in personal revelation (revelations concerning me no one else), and therefore can ask God about the truthfulness of His teachings.

I'm very much into science and so far nothing is contradictory to my faith (nothing 100% proven - speculations excluded); I believe God created everything, also science, so one day it will come together =)

didn't even Einstein say, that he believes there is a Creator behind everything?!

Answer 10

God is infinitely logical - he created the universe, and just think how much logic and mathematics was required to do that. that is part of who God is, and if a Christian refuses to use and see logic, that's just close-mindedness. However, you must realize that some things can never be explained by human logic, because we just can't understand the kind of infinite logic that God has

Answer 11

I try to make my arguments for God as clear and logical as possible, I also try to read articles online to learn more about how to defend my faith and answer questions, this involves avoiding circular reasoning. If you have questions you want to ask me, IM me at jonjames1986