do you expect me to believe that the very second a baby is born that he/she is a sinner?

Question

why should we have kids then?

Answer 1

You MUST believe that garbage, otherwise the fear based religions will collapse. Do you want to be the cause of all those ministers, priests and,heaven forbid, bishops and cardinals, even the pope would have to get real jobs.
Original sin was designed by men to gain control over the lives of their subjects by creating a fear so great the people will even be afraid to think.
Hear this please, the church teaches you the following:
GOD is love
GOD loves you
GOD is so blood thirsty HE could only be appeased by the blood and suffering of HIS "only begotten son".
GOD is love
One woman "made a mistake" and our loving GOD is making every human being until eternity pay the price.
GOD is just
Enough? I should think so. Avoid any organization that functions from the base of fear. Examples; Islam,Catholicism, Christianity, Nazism, Communism, Dictatorships, Mafia, organized gangs, ETC.

Vaya con DIOS because GOD really is LOVE. HIS/HER followers are not.

Answer 2

The answer to this question is yes and no. Once sin entered the world through Adam and Eve, all people born are born with a sin nature or a propensity to sin. So, in the sense that a child inherits this sin nature, yes he is born a sinner.

Yet, the actual commission of sin has not occurred yet. A child needs to reach the age of accountability before he or she is held responsible for his or her actions and thoughts. This usually happens around age 12 or 13, but can happen earlier, depending on the maturity of the child. So, in the sense of actual commission of sin, no, a child is not born a sinner.

God in His mercy allows a time in each child's life for that child to grow in knowledge of right and wrong--to allow the conscience to be developed. So, in the end, no matter how terrible the "terrible two's" are, there is no danger of a child being sent to hell. On the other hand, a 15 year old who commits murder would be held accountable and would be judged accordingly.

Answer 3

They are born into a sinful world and therefore become sinners. They still don't have the understanding as to their sinfulness until they reach the age of accountability however. This is something that some people say is 13 years but I happen to believe it is much younger in the age we are living in. I know people that were saved and Baptized at the age of 7 or 8. Some just understand and are taught more quickly than others. Jesus knows the heart of each one and the ability to know right from wrong. So it is really up to Him.

Answer 4

Yes and no. Yes, in that we are all born under the sin-curse God placed on Adam and Eve after they were expelled from the Garden of Eden. No, in that until a child grows old enough to realize that they are capable of sin once they commit a sin i.e. steal something, lie about something, do something Mom and Dad instructed them not to do and etc. If a child dies young before they are old enough to understand sin and be taught better by Mom and Dad, they are not responsible for what they cannot comprehend, so they are not destined to Hell simply because they were born with the potential to sin. We have children because God commanded Adam and Eve to "be ye fruitful and multiply", so the risk runs inherent through the parental influences meant to steer a child away from sin. The Scripture says, "Train up a child in the way it SHOULD go. When it grows old, it will not depart." This Scripture means that since a child is born with the sin-curse, it is the parent's responsibility to train the child in the ways of truth so that the child can learn what it takes (as it understands more and more through life) to avoid going to Hell. It also removes the responsibility for the child's soul from the parents by means of the word "should" in the aforementioned verse by saying that once a child is trained and mature enough to have it's own personal relationship with Christ based on the knowledge of the truth imparted by Mom and Dad, the parents have done their duty in God's eyes and can do nothing more than pray for them when they stray and witness to them to remind them of what they have with God.

Answer 5

I think that's bull. A baby may be born into a sinful world but he/she is not a sinner. A baby has no concept of right or wrong.

Answer 6

There are two major types of doctrines.

Biblical doctrines are those that are justified totally by Biblical text and situations in context. There are, sadly, comparatively few Biblical doctrines in Christianity.

Man-made doctrines are usually based on Biblical doctrines, but are added to, distorted, tweaked, or modified. Sometimes the justifications are Biblical... sorta, sometimes they really have to stretch to make them work. Much of modern church teaching is based on this sort of thing.

Original sin is mostly a man-made doctrine in an effort to explain how Adam's sin has stained us all. In some denominations, it is critical to their view of salvation that we have all sinned, no matter how good we are otherwise. It is also often a key point in justifying baptism- to wash the stain of that sin away.

Personally, I don't see much good Biblical justification for declaring babies sinful. Jesus was not recorded as interacting with children often (probably more due to the invisibility of children in the era than because of how often He really did it), but He certainly did not act as if they were sinful.

Our human nature is naturally self-based. We tend to choose things that suit our needs, rather than the things that are 'higher' or right. These choices seem to naturally lead us into 'sin'- meaning actions or thoughts that God hates or that hurt our relationship with God (or, for non-theists, that are not in the best interest of society or the world in general).

In this way, I believe we have a 'sinful nature'- but to me this is not the result of some sort of inherited sin, just the natural consequence of a life apart from a higher calling.

Wikipedia has a pretty decent article on this as well. (see below)

Answer 7

Unfortunately, under the Christian view and that of several other sects babies are born sinners...Of course there's an out...accepting Jesus will absolute them from at leas that original sin. As their life goes on everytime they sin they can pray for forgvieness from Jesus and yet again be absolved. See the CROCK of BLEEP this stuff is.

NO BABIES AREN'T SINNERS! PEACE!

Answer 8

This is one reason I'm not a Christian anymore. I have a real problem with two issues:

1) Babies who aren't baptised going to "limbo" until their original sin can be purged.

2) Suicides going straight to hell

It just doesn't make any sense to me that a baby could have any sin attached to it, with a brand new untarnished soul.

And I don't know about YOUR God, but MINE recognizes that people who are in so much pain that they cannot abide living on this earth anymore deserve to be forgiven for taking their own lives.

Answer 9

even before the baby is born, yes, we are all sinners. You imply that one cannot sin because the child has not done anything, however you fail to see that sin exists without action. The sin is our human condition, as we are separate from God. We never become without sin, just forgiven if we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior.

Answer 10

Christians need the concept of original sin because without it, they have no need of a savior and the entire New Testament crumbles to ashes. It is a nice little concept for them, though, because it keeps them forever feeling guilty and fearful of angering God and not getting into heaven, and their leaders can exploit that fear and make them do anything. That's how telepreachers get so rich.

Answer 11

He or she is not a sinner when they are born, but at some point in their life they will sin. All have sinned.