What does the Koran really say?

Question

I found this passage as an example of something I thought was a sample of the weird things said in the Koran:

Cow 2.191: "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers."

What else does the Koran say?

Answer 1

That verse is written in the Koran. When a people doesn't accept Allah/Islam then jihadist are suppose to do this. Because the people are guilty.

The Koran writes that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God & Jesus didn't die on the cross for your sins. The Bible writes that He who denies the Father & the Son is a Spirit of anti-Christ.

Anyone who doesn't believe Mohamed is a true prophet is oppressing Muslims & could get the death sentence. For people of the book (Xians, Jews), they have an option to pay extra taxes & live under sumbission to muslims. When they pay the extra tax they must be humbled in the process. Get wacked on the side of the head a few times.

Answer 2

This whole "omg koran is evil cuz it seyz so right here" thing is ridiculous. Could you misinformed people find the background of certain verses of the Qur'an before jumping to conclusions?

Read this passage:

"James is ten years old. He has lived with his grandmother for five years. His parents were killed in a bank robbery. He loves playing Doctor, and hates playing Cowboys and Indians."

Out of that passage, I can change EVERYTHING by playing around with the words: "James is five. He killed in a bank robbery doctors and hates Indians." The fact that I'm quoting certain things and leaving out others from the passage is exactly what non-Muslims do to draw negative attention to Islam.

Everything in the Qur'an is meant for A SPECIFIC AUDIENCE, DEALING WITH SPECIFIC PROBLEMS. Don't use certain quotes to justify or condemn the actions of people.

If you want a Muslim's perspective (and not just people who love to take things out of context), here's a good quote from an Islamic website regarding Surah 9 verse 191:

"The problem here is quoting one part of this verse (2: 191) because the remaining part says "and drive them away from wherever they drove you away, for oppression is worse than killing." Therefore, this verse does not give a license to kill even idolatrous Arabs who are meant in this verse but only those who committed aggression and oppression against Muslims by driving them from their homes and towns without justification. So it is a case of legitimate fight against severe oppression which the Qur'an describes as "worse than killing".

The same verse also continues to prohibit Muslims from fighting near the Sacred House unless the enemies fight against them first.

If you continue in the same section, you will find that the next verse indicates that if the oppressors desist from fighting and aggression, then Allah is indeed Forgiving and Merciful. The following verse clearly states that the reason for fighting is "to stop oppression especially that the common oppression at that time which took the form intimidation, torture to death or murder of those who chose Islam. This is why the verse says: "until persecution is no more and the choice of religion is between the person and God". The same verse continues to say that if they desist (i.e. from oppression) then there should be no more hostility except against the oppressors."


Basically, people who converted to Islam at the time of Muhamad were being persecuted by non-Muslims. Allah tells Muslims to fight THOSE people. It says nothing specifically about Muslims in the future (our time).

The Qur'an is written in the form of Allah speaking directly to Muhamad, except for parts when Allah says "O you believers" or "O people of the book", or even "O you disbelievers" in which case it is directed to a different audience. Most of it is like advice to Muhamad in dealing with HIS problems. He had very many enemies, and in times of war, you can't simply turn the other cheek.

Answer 3

I agree. Of course it sounds weird to you perhaps, but it wouldn't sound as weird as it would if you knew the background of the verses revealed ie, when, why, how etc

This chapter was revealed in the 2 years the Prophet had migrated to Medina, fleeing after narrowly escapes an assassination attempt by the Meccans .

In 628 C.E. a group of 1,600 Muslims from Medina marched towards Mecca, in an attempt to perform the pilgrimage to the Sacred Mosque which the Muslims believe was built by the Patriach Abraham Half way through, they were intercepted by the Meccans and as the leader of the Muslims, the Prophet was desperate to avoid bloodshed and therefore the two parties decided to resolve the matter through diplomacy, rather than warfare. The result was the Treaty of Hudaybiyya, which calls for 10 years of cease-fire if you call it.

The Treaty of Hudaybiyya was eventually broken when Banu Bakr, allies of the Meccans, attacked Banu Khuza'a, allies of the Muslims. This led to the conquest of Mecca by the Muslim armies, thus the verse 191.

However, it was just an advice of "just in case" if it turned out ugly. In reality however, it was not "used" as they who took the city peacefully and spared those within:-

Then Muhammad turning to the people said:

"O ye Quraish, what do you think of the treatment that I should accord you.?"

And they said, "Mercy, O Prophet of Allah. We expect nothing but good from you."

Thereupon the Holy Prophet declared: "I speak to you in the same words as Joseph spoke to his brothers. This day there is no reproof against you; Go your way, for you are free."

Now, in the same chapter, I find also some weird verses for example:-

2.190: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

Self-defense?

2:192-193: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

If they ceased fire or stop oppressing you, leave them alone? Sounds fair to me.

2:195: And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.

Mmmm....do not destruct or involve yourself in any destruction and be good. Good idea to me.

I guess what the Quran tell you to do or not do, people always take it differently. In this case, verse 191 do not saction Muslims fighting or killing the unbelievers just because. It prescribes a self-defense mechanism, but in no way it condones the Muslim starting the agrression or killing innocent people that includes the unbelievers.

Answer 4

The Bible says a lot of stuff just like that in the Old Testament, so don't get all "Christianity owns Islam sucks!!!!" everyone, its old, ok?
In fact, the Qu'ran and the Bible are a lot alike. I've read passages out of the Qu'ran that are actually word-for-word the same as passages from the Bible. Muslims believe in God (Allah literally means "The One God") Adam and Eve, Moses, King David and Solomon, Isiah, Ezekiel, even Mary and Jesus. Some of their stories are slightly different, but roughly 65-70% the same.

Answer 5

This was in regard to Pagans of mecca who were persecuting muslims. It was permission to fight oppression.

read the next two verses to better see the context..
These are verses directly following that verse

002.192
YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

002.193
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Answer 6

the earth is flat, don't walk too far or you will fall of the edge...!
much, much more such ilogical ideas in light of the limited scientific and social knowledge at the time it was written. The challenge of our times will be to find relevant messages.

Answer 7

I was told this one>>

The Punishment for fighting against allah and his messenger
(execution, crucifixion, cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile) supposed to be in Surat Al-Maidah 5:33

but of course I can't possible believe that of such a PEACE LOVING people.......................

Answer 8

Koran is filled with murder and false teaching contrary to both the Bible and the teachings of Jesus.

Now you know why Muslims are leaving the Muslim faith by the zillions!

Answer 9

Read the book.

Answer 10

Here is a nice easy read. just quotes from the Qu'ran.