Why do radical feminist nominal Catholics think the Pope has authority to say women can be ordained...?

Question

if the same radical feminists don't believe in the authority of the office of Peter in the first place? One of the main differences between Protestants and Catholics is Catholics believe in the apostolic teaching authority that Jesus gave to His Church, and in particular to the office of Peter.

So if these people want the Catholic Church to change to be like the Protestant Churches who don't have a Pope with authority or the 7 sacraments, then why don't they stop calling themselves Catholic, become Protestant and let Catholics have freedom of religion to practice authentic Catholicism?

By the way, the Pope has no authority to change the example that was given to us by Jesus (God in the flesh) in the way Jesus chose only men for the 12 Apostles (first bishops).

john s, No, I don't have "SJ" after my name. I'm just an ordinary lay Catholic. But, I'm flattered that you would pay me such a compliment.

Answer 1

That's why they're called "nominal" catholics because they don't really understand how the Church works, much less learn. That's sad but so true.

To ernest77h:

The early christians changed it so its better that you know why according to them and not according to some denominations who were still not around around even during the time of your grandfather. Remember, these are the very people who both gave us the Bible and protected the early church from heretical teachings.

The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr
"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

Tertullian
"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).



The Didascalia
"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Origen
"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).

Victorinus
"The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished" (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).

Eusebius of Caesarea
"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).
"[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).

Athanasius
"The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord’s day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord’s day as being the memorial of the new creation" (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).

Cyril of Jerusalem
"Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean" (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).

Council of Laodicea
"Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians" (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]).

Answer 2

The Pope is the successor of Simon Peter, the rock on which Jesus built His Church. He has just as much apostolic teaching authority as the Peter did.

Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:17-19)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (882) states: "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."

The Pope could change the tradition of a male only priesthood and/or celibate priesthood.

These practices are traditional and are not dogma.

The celibate priesthood has only been in effect for about 1,000 years. Simon Peter, the first Pope, was married.

There are records of female deacons and priests scattered throughout history. There were ordained female priests in the undergound Catholic Church in the old Soviet Union. There is even a legend of a female Pope.

With love in Christ.

Answer 3

Catholics have had a history of debate and discussion on how the Word is applied throughout the ages, but I guess your comments show why God refers to most of us as SHEEP.

God has evolved his message with the times. Woman was not in a position of authority back in those days, and His message would not have made it out had He chosen a woman to be a disciple. He would have been rejected by most of the people, and his female disiciple stoned before her message was truly spoken.

Was the Church's suppression of the earth revolving around the sun also just? Was there persacution of Jews and so-called witches acceptable? A woman can sit on a throne on earth, so why not in heaven as well?

Answer 4

Its no longer that the Church don't have the authoraty, Catholics trust that the priesthood is ordained by Christ by St. Peter. truly, Christ named Peter the rock of the Church, and Catholic believes that St. Peter then ordained the first clergymen and all cutting-edge clergymen are successors of this place of work, the Papacy being the direct successors of St. Peter. Now Christ and St. Peter purely ordained men for this place of work. to that end the modern Catholic Church has interpreted this as significant. It has labored for 2,000 years, I doubt it is going to change any time quickly. yet do no longer overlook that the Catholic Church has replaced in a lot of strategies in the course of heritage, its a remember of biblical interpretation. So i ought to argue that it's not an difficulty of authoraty, its an difficulty of theology, which I doubt will change. regardless of the very undeniable actuality that this can look sexist, I as a Catholic male must be supportive of the ordination of ladies human beings, see you later by way of the undeniable fact that is with Papal approval, even as I easily have met many Catholic women those who're staunchly against ordaining women human beings. they trust that females human beings have already got a profound functionality contained in the Catholic Church, and that i do honor that judgement. As for the catholics decimating the Incas and Mayas, it is an unfair evaluation. I gained't declare that the natives lived properly less than the Spanish, yet in factor of undeniable actuality that something like 80% of Mexico's inhabitants is of interior of sight blood, even as a million% of u . s .'s inhabitants is interior of sight. So I easily might want to invite, who "decimated" the natives, the Protestant British or the Spanish Catholics?

Answer 5

Better question ; Who gave the roman catholic church the authority to change the senventh day Sabbath, Saturday to the first day of the week Sunday.

Answer 6

You seem to be asking a question to an audience with different faith. The question is to be asked only to "Catholics". If you ask that question to a wider audience......... well U are going to get all sort of answers.

As John said no one other than Catholics know about this so called "Feminist Nominal Catholics" or whatever....



John,
The question is valid, The question is why people are creating internal faction within a Church? Why shouldn't they go out and form another Church for themselves. If they are so sure of their theology.!!

But your comments relating to DanVinci code and Catholic Church makes it difficult to understand your stand, when I read other answers by you. You seem to be saying that, it is ok that DaVinci Code is telling a blasphemy againt Jesus Christ (whom all Christians believe as their saviour and Muslims as a prophet) as long as Catholic Church is also involved.

Some Christians do seem to think that DaVinci Code is exposing wrongs by Catholic Church. But thinking it that way is like, y'll shoot ur mom to just pinch ur enemy. The book, tries to portray Jesus as just another man and Mary Magdalena as a Goddess!!!!. So it is neither atheistic....Its an alternate religion. If you follow that religion, the comments are just fine...

And Sunday and Saturday, well they are not the only ones changed by Catholic Church from Judaism, What about the Trinity, The Cross, The place of Worhsip itself the Church, the Circumcision, Religious festivals of Judaism and so on.......

Thanks Romeo...........


Hi Gplay2001,
You seem to refer yourself also as SHEEP and do you want others to think that your answer/question was wise.

Well once this man called Christ and his followers came, many things in Judaism went for a toss, from Sabath to Circumcision- something passed to them from Abraham thru Mosses.

If this people could change that which held Judaic community together, they could have changed anything. It was these Christian's who enforced even monogamy. So if Jesus Chirst was God, he could have effectively changed any long-held ideas by men thru his followers.

But this Jesus Chirst, historically seem to have appeared as a Man, not as a Women, not even as a Eunech, but why?.....

Well SHEEP can only interpret SHEEP's way. So if God is righteous and wise enough, He will be (should be) communicating to his dump SHEEP the way they can understand. I am not sure whether SHEEP (if humans indeed are) will become wise overtime....

I don't know the Sex of God, but I like to believe it the way he revealed it in Jesus Christ...

Answer 7

Radical Feminist Nominal Catholics-is that like Protestant?

You are one sick sob. I just bet you have a "S.J." after your name. It's people like you that the "Di Vinci Code" tried to expose in the catholic church. You guys are real arent you?

Answer 8

they are called protestant because they protest, it is a sure thing that both of em wont coexist in near future

Answer 9

Bravo! Well said!