Q #3 Reincarnation, If it is not true what does the Bible mean by these verses?

Question

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again ... What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." (Eccl. 1:4-9)

And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.'" (John 9:1-3)

Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. (Psalm 51:5)

I see only 2 people attempted to answer the question. It is easy to mock but how about coming up with an intellegent answer to explain the meanings. Isn't it funny how when a person asks a hard question, no one is capable of answering it.

Answer 1

You also may have read:
Ecclesiastes
Chapter 1:
Verse 9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be:and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the sun.
Verse 10:
Is there any new thing whereof it may be said, "See, this is new?" It hath been already of old times, which was before us.
Verse 11:
There is no remembrances of former things: neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are come with those that shall come after.

If you are interested, find some old books of Edgar Cayce. One, "There is a River"

In India, there is no discussion of reincarnation. No arguments.

It would be like arguing that we were not born.

The factual meaning is re-cycling.
It appears you and I are getting a bit of re-wording.

There is an interesting account that appeared on TV just a couple months ago, a Documentary.
Contact me if you'd like to hear it.

Let me give you this.

Back in the '70s, I owned a store. A couple came in with a 5 yr. old son. The son misbehaved a bit. The father slapped him on the rear, not abusive, lightly.
The son looked up at his father, not a tear in his eyes, "How dare you spank me. I had children of my own before you had me."

They left, came back another day.

Answer 2

I don't see what any of these have to do w/ reincarnation.

The first passage is poetry, speaking of the way the earth's systems all work together in perpetual balance. Beautiful! Keep in mind that even if it were speaking about man, you shouldn't take it as doctrine because it wasn't written to teach a strict lesson, it's poetry that explicates or expresses truth known by the author.

The second explains that sometimes bad things happen to good people and it's God's will at heart. (Implied therein, that God does what God does and you just have to suck it up b/c you can't comprehend God.) It is usually cited as an argument against the 'vending machine' view of God, wherein you say the right words and God gives you what you want.

The third passage points to the utterly sinful nature of man, without consideration of his acts. In other words, you can behave perfectly, and never do a bad thing in your life, and you will still need salvation because your very nature as a human is evil and sinful.

Like I wrote above, I'm not seeing any reference to previous life, previous existence, or other reincarnation themes in any of these passages. Could you give me some more detail of your thought process in this?

Answer 3

The first Scripture is speaking of a cycle of natural life
as far as nature. The cycle of sin in the same kinds of people with the same kinds of sin.

A soul cannot be judged twice, therefore we live and we die and we are judged once and for all by the deeds in that life. And we all have only one soul and one chance to live a good life.


In the case of the second Scripture:
Not everyone has a birth defect because of a particular sin that an ancestor did. In this case, Jesus is saying that God KNEW that this blind man was predestinated to receive his sight. Yes, he suffered blindness for many years, but he was blind because God's power was going to be shown to the world through this miracle, of the healing of this man's eyes. So Jesus told him, the only reason he's blind is so God's power can be manifested.


And for the third Scripture:
We were all born by sex after the fall in the Garden of Eden so that's why we were born "in sin". Not that a baby has sinned but that it was born in a "sinful" state of a
sexual birth, which is associated with a carnal nature and contrary to God's Perfect original birth,
because God's original and perfect way was to be born as Adam and Eve were...by the Spoken Word of God.

Answer 4

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. (2 Cor. 5:8)
The dead will rise. If you believe in reincarnation a resurrection is not possible. One human soul cannot inhabit 2 bodies at the same time.
"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1 Cor. 15:52
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" 1 Th. 4:16
Read the story of the Rich man in Luke 16. When the rich man died he ended up in hell. If you look at Luke 16:31 "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." A person could not rise if their soul was already in a body again.
A person is born sinful because they come from a sinful blood line. Just like a person is born black or white or red depending on their blood line. A person is born sinful because of their blood line. Selfishness does not have to be taught, it is in a persons nature to be selfish.

Answer 5

The Bible is a loose collection of writings over millenia. Thescholars work very hard trying to interpret the writings and establish a coherent link through all the texts.

Clearly the philosophers who authored these texts were very bright individuals. They has the time and ability to generate copiuos amounts of prose and poetry. The debates about what constituted work on the sabbath and what did not were eneough to fill the pages of many millions of books.

Ifyou are looking for someone else's answers continue to pore over these millions of pages.

if you are looking to find out your own answers please go to www.dhamma.org
here you will find a universal remedy to a universal problem of human suffering. The bible teaches that the world is filled with suffering and suggests you pray without ceasing. unfortunately the Church also implies that non Christians willnot be saved because they have not called out to Jesus Christ.What is the difference between a Muslim swearing his way is right and aChristian who swears that theMuslim is wrong ?


www.dhamma.org provides a non sectarian way to work towards one's own salvation here and now.

Answer 6

in Eccl...it is merely stating that God knows what was and what is to come...that there is nothing that is going to surprise Him so to speak...He knows all because He created all ......that there is nothing new to Him .....
the other passages you sent through are well I dont understand how you can read reincarnation at all into these scriptures....
and I am so glad that reincarnation isnt true because why would one want to keep coming back to this life over and over again.....how horrible that would be......thank God it isnt real

Answer 7

The Bible does not teach reincarnation. Where did you get the idea that these verses were even remotely connected with reincarnation. I am very familiar with all your references, and I have never read nor heard any commentary referencing any of them to reincarnation.

Answer 8

Im confuzed...ok read Revelation chapters 20-22 in the New Testament.

Answer 9

Everything is transient.

The great unknown and indescribable (god) bears fruit.

The moment I was seperated from god, I became unbeknownst to it.

The concept of rebirth is cyclic as is the description of your first paragraph. Christians won't see this however as they see themselves seperate from everything else, good luck.

Answer 10

None of that has anything to do with reincarnation. You must be pretty desperate trying to read reincarnation into those passages.