A just or loving God would not allow innocent children to die of starvation, war and disease. Ergo: no God.?

Question

A true just and loving God wouldn't allow all the endless pain and suffering of children and innocent victums in the world.

Either there is no God, or he's neither just nor loving.

Take your pick.

(I don't believe in Santa Claus either.)

Answer 1

I hate to tell you but if there's no Godl, then there's no you unless you feel that you somehow made yourself or feel that you are just so superior that you don't need to rely or depend on anything to have made you. As far as war is concerned it's not because there isn't a God but because there is a Devil who causes all the hurt, anger, and pain that we as humans feel.

Answer 2

God gave man freedom of choice, and man chose sin. A JUST God will always have rules, and when you break those rules it is called sin. The penalty of sin is eternal death. Also as a side penalty for Adam and Eve's sin is a world that is full of sin and unjust actions, reactions, situations, and circumstances.

Part of this is Innocent people, such as babies, being caught in situations that they were never meant to be in, like war, famine, abusive households, etc..

Some times God will take a child before he/she is even born. There are several reasons why God does this. Some are to save the child from something that Satan has planned for the child. It may be because the child will be born with a defect, and the parents are not spiritually ready for that, or there are hundreds of other possibilities that a LOVING GOD would do something to save us from.

Not one person on this earth deserves to have God do a single thing for them, including what He has already done on the cross. He sent His only son to suffer a horrible death, take all our sins upon Himself, then He rose from the dead on the third day just so we could have a payment for our sins, because He knew we could not pay the price. I would say that is the most LOVING thing ever done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Choose you this day who you will serve.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Answer 3

Nope.. A loving God gave His creatures a free will... He didn't want robots..Way back then, God allowed an evil decision take all of mankind into a spiritual separation from Him, darkness. Along with that, along came toil, pestilence, and diseases.He did provide a way back to Him, but we are still in a fallen world. My wife and I are both cancer survivors, and we know that it rains on both the just and the unjust.And it is a wonderful thing to know that "we are just passing through this place,"and through faith and especially grace , which means something undeserved, according to Philippians 3:20 , we are citizens of Heaven. And I heard the other day some guy was saying that Christ is a crutch.!! Again nope.. He is the whole hospital..Hopefully you can elevate your spirit into a relationship with The creator, and learn first-hand how great it feels to really be forgiven.. my heart was broken when I heard that I was forgiven for the sins that I couldn't forget !! Please remember that Satan is alive and well here on planet Earth.

Answer 4

That's a fair question. How could God create this? God be un-Godlike?

If we're to use reason in this discussion, then we have to check our premises: Is this earth the culmination of His desires for man, or is the earth something else?

What do we know of earth? God seldom visits, a veil persists between mankind and whatever's out there, there's death, there's fear, there's limitations, there's suffering (even of the innocent), there's time and aging, there's confusion. None of these things, by definition, could exist in the presence of God.

So, why this earth? Why this veil and separation?

The purpose of life is to learn. Learn what? Whatever we want. Why here? Because there (with God) we couldn't know anything. The reasoning then would be more like: What's light? Everything you see. What's love? Everything you see. Joy, happiness, harmony, beauty, grace, etc.? Everything you see.

These things had no meaning until we created a school where they could gain meaning. In order for the school to exist, we had to create a place where God isn't, a temporary limit of our own perceptions that God could be re-discovered through a process of experiences.

What experiences? All of them. So, the meditation, the walks in nature, the prayer, the studying, the obedience, the raising of children? Yes, and also the suffering, war, death, disease.

Why? So that we can see what truly is.

You, a sentient (sp?) being, can see that a child's suffering is terrible and awful. Your premise states that if there was a God, He'd intervene. But if that child asked that God did not intervene, that the process of learning could take place? Indeed, that's what's happening. So, is the child to blame? Of course not, the child is my teacher. Is God to blame? Of course not, He allows us to choose something other than Him so that we may know Him. How did the child choose this? By creating his own life, even a life of suffering, before coming here. Why did the child choose this? Because the child's love for me was to give its own life that I would wake up and start taking life seriously and realize the tuition being paid at this university of ours. Am I slacking and skipping class, or am I awake?

Does this begin to explain things? I find that whenever I'm stuck, I check my premises. Sometimes I change my mind about things, sometimes I find that the challenge's premises are off. Reason, too can assist us in our life's journey, but that's not our only tool.

If all we had was the scientific method, then not only do you lose truth, beauty, and love, you also lose mathematics, logic, and even epistemology. Since we accept that these things exist, we also use the tools of their discovery in religious or spiritual realms. We have an inner knowing that guides our learning. We have examples of people like Gandhi who freed nearly a billion people without the use of traditional forces. There were other forces at work that he describes in his autobiography. Because modern warfare has not given me an example of such power, I must conclude that this is something very powerful.

Do Gandhi's expirements with truth reveal God to the world? They do. How? Because God too uses love, the highest power in the Universe, to inspire change. Does this actually work? Yes. Can it be overcome? On this side of the veil, yes. Why? Because this veil gives us freedom to act and be acted upon. Even when the innocents are hurt? Even then.

Good luck with your pursuit of truth, whatever your path and whatever tools you use to dicover it.

Answer 5

You must understand that this world is controlled by the devil and not God. God has his own plans and we have no right to question his words. The innocent children are all in a safer place that God have created called 'Heaven'. So they are no longer near war, starvation or disease. This world is not our home, we are just passing through. That's why you should thank God for what you have now and not criticize him.

Answer 6

Ever heard of a little thing called "sin"? When sin entered the world, so did disease, death, starvation, war, all of those things we don't like. Most of those little children that are dying are dying because of sinful choices of the grown-ups around them. If Saddam had not made evil choices and tortured people and made his regime so unbearable, children in Iraq would not be suffering right now. If people who have money would use it to buy food for the children who don't have any, then the children would not be starving. Seems to me like the majority of the problems in this world are caused by mankind's selfish choices instead of loving each other.

Could God stop mankind from making those choices? Certainly! But if He did, then nobody would ever be able to make any choices but the right ones. Then we would be nothing more than programmed robots who had no choice but to do right because that was all we could do.

Either we live in a broken world for a short time longer before God comes to make it all right, or God keeps people from making evil choices and hurting others -- and you would lose your freedom to choose to believe that God doesn't exist and would have to bow before Him. Somehow, I don't think you'd like to give up your freedom to choose to deny God's existance, even for all the starving children in the world.

Answer 7

This is an old objection to an old problem. One question, however: if you are worried about hunger, pain & poverty, do you give to charity? If you do not do your part to end human suffering & pain, then maybe God does not believe in you!

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If we believe in God, we have to wonder why he doesn’t eliminate mindless suffering from our planet. Yes, why doesn’t he make this bad world right? Why doesn’t he stop the hurting?

If God really cares, author Philip Yancey asked in 'Disappointment With God', "Why won’t he reach down and fix the things that go wrong – at least some of them?"

Rabbi Harold Kushner asked the same question in his national best-seller, 'When Bad Things Happen to Good People'. He told of a personal tragedy that caused him to rethink everything he had believed and been taught about God.

His son, Aaron, died at age 14 of progeria, the "rapid aging" disease. Aaron was short, bald and appeared to be an old man even as a young child.

Why did the Kushners have to suffer this tragedy? They were decent people and didn’t deserve this. Rabbi Kushner wrestled with this question. He asked in his book: "If God existed, if He was minimally fair, let alone loving and forgiving, how could He do this to me?"

Why do innocent people, average people, nice people suffer? Why should anyone suffer? It has been a question asked again and again down through the ages. It may be the important issue of our lives. "There is only one question which really matters," wrote Rabbi Kushner, "why do bad things happen to good people?"

How, then, do we make sense of our world, our sufferings? Mr. Yancey explored these issues in 'Disappointment With God'. He had to admit: "I knew I would have to confront questions that have no easy answers – that may, in fact, have no answers." ...


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...The existence of suffering in a world created by a good and almighty God — "the problem of pain" — is a fundamental theological dilemma and perhaps the most serious objection to the Christian religion. The issue is serious enough already in Theism. Christianity aggravates the problem by insisting on Love as the essence of God; then, unexpectedly, it makes a half turn and points to the Mystery of suffering — to Jesus, "the tears of God." Lewis does not propose to penetrate the mystery. He is content enough with approaching pain as mere problem that demands a solution; he formulates it and goes about solving it. "If God were good, He would make His creatures perfectly happy, and if He were almighty He would be able to do what he wished. But the creatures are not happy. Therefore God lacks either goodness, or power, or both."

...The main argument of "The Problem of Pain" is preceded by a presentation of an atheist objection to the existence of God based on the observable futility of the universe. The book starts on a personal note: "Not many years ago when I was an atheist … ". There follows a compelling picture of a universe filled with futility and chance, darkness and cold, misery and suffering; a spectacle of civilizations passing away, of human race scientifically condemned to a final doom and of a universe bound to die. Thus, "either there is no spirit behind the universe, or else a spirit indifferent to good and evil, or else an evil spirit". On the other hand, "if the universe is so bad, or even half so bad, how on earth did human beings ever come to attribute it to the activity of a wise and good Creator? […] The spectacle of the universe as revealed by experience can never have been ground for religion: it must always have been something in spite of which religion, acquired from a different source, was held". But, where should we look for the sources? ...

Answer 8

NO a just and loving God wouldn't . how ever where would we fit all the people that have been born since the start of the physical world began.
The Angel that was suppose to be this planets Guardian Angel to teach and protect us started a revolt in heaven because he though he could run things better than the Creator. He is called ST. Lucifer. Since he lost the battle we have been without one and have been given free will to find our own way with a few saviors thrown in. to try and open our eyes.

Answer 9

You're first mistake is to assume that "pain and suffering" is "endless". For it to be "endless" it would have to exist for infinity. I would say eternity, but you wouldn't accept that because you don't believe in it. So, death would be the end then, in your case. War and disease is a fact of life. Get use to the idea of it. Even in the animal world, they young / weak and diseased are first to become dinner. Oh my, would a Just and loving God allow one animal to eat another for it's own survival. Now you take your pick. Oh, and don't dig too far up your nose. You just might find that there's a vacant void in your cranium.

Answer 10

God is malicious. think of: you're making the proper human (on account which you may) yet you be attentive to that he will sin (on account which you be attentive to each little thing) you besides mght be attentive to which you would be punishing all of his descendants for that sin (forethought is large, isn't it). So, you be attentive to which you would be flooding the planet a minimum of as quickly as for this reason your proper human shouldn't be waiting to breath decrease than water. then you definately think of "Ah, we could have some plagues too." so which you upload a vulnerability to affliction. yet you're nonetheless no longer happy and you have some clay left over so which you enable your mind's eye run revolt making parasites. probably then it dawns on you that multiple the sharks you have made are merely the proper length to chew Adam in 0.5 and doubtless all those sharp the teeth weren't the type of advantageous thought even with each and everything. so which you place this international jointly and your sitting questioning which you have forgotten some thing and definite, wasps. You forgot to make wasps because of the fact they serve no constructive purpose in any respect. so which you're making wasps, tell Adam and Eve to no longer touch fruit from that tree (understanding finished properly that girls will continually choose what they won't be able to have) and then circulate and conceal like some ill candid digicam waiting for them to eat from the tree, in order that as which you will get the relaxing-ball rolling, then you definately deliver on the plagues, the suffering and floods. and then, realising that it kinda seems undesirable what you have completed, you factor at devil and reported "he did it." Sorry yet while God exists, he's the two malicious or isn't how marketed via the foremost religions.

Answer 11

Maybe our perception of god is flawed. Or maybe god made an imperfect world to teach us to cooperate and be compassionate. Sometimes I think that there are six billion object lessons being taught simultaneously. Your question and argument are true as far as Philosophy 101 is concerned, but it seems to be missing something. Faith can't be proved scientifically, it has to be felt, and what I get from your question is that obviously, you're not feeling it. I do not mean this as a criticism, just that as mortal humans operating within a system, we can't objectively view it. There's more to it than we realize, scientifically and spiritually.