Christians: You who try to Convert. Can you refute these?

Question

Lots of Christians. Good God fearing people are being rather intolerant and outright rude on here. So here are a collection of your arguments ( 9 most common) and their rebuttal.

http://www.noreligion.ca/index.php?topicID=4

Can anyone come up with something to deny the logic of these counter arguments. Please us references if you quote the bibile.

Answer 1

I agree with you that many Christians are intolerant and rude. There are also atheists that are the same way. I can only speak for myself and say that alot of these arguments I have never used.

Argument 1: I have used (mostly in my own mind) a version of Pascal's Wager, something similar that I read in C.S. Lewis's work. (The Silver Chair, from the Chronicles of Narnia) For me it's not a fear of hell, but the idea that I am a better person if I try to live as Jesus did, even IF Jesus was only a myth, which I don't believe he was.

Argument 2: I've never used this. It isn't logical.

Argument 3: Never used this either. That "voice inside your head" can be attributed to common sense, the subconscious, whatever. However, I have sensed directions (nothing odd or bad, like kill someone, or anything like that) to do something or not do something, almost like a warning, and often if I didn't follow the directions, something later happened as a result and I wished I had. Call that what you will, but I don't think I'm mentally unstable! I don't consider this a valid argument for the existence of God, except as proof to MYSELF.

Argument 4: I don't agree with this. People change. It's free will.

Argument 5: People (even Christians!) take the Bible out of context. What I mean is, many Christians believe in the Bible as the literal word of God, yet they pick and choose which parts to follow. How I see it, how I've been taught, is that the Old Testament is a history of relationship between God and his people, the prophecies, the laws, etc. If it is a history, who wrote the book? Men. Can men be wrong? Yes. You haven't taken it out of context, per se, but it's all in how you view the Bible. Those were laws for the nation of Israel, whether they make sense or not. There are laws written today that don't make sense, either. By other Christians who read my response, I'll probably be condemned for writing this, but it's what I believe. I know what the Old Testament says, and I still eat bacon! I know what the New Testament says, and I still speak in church. My relationship with my Lord is more important than a book. (oooh, I'm a heathen, aren't I?)

Argument 6: I cannot believe that life is an accident, but I do believe in science, also.

Argument 7: I wouldn't use that argument with an athiest, because it wouldn't make sense. I will say that God does not, and will not, force people to love him. Would you want your friends and family to love you only because you made them do it? No, you want them to CHOOSE to love you, of their own free will, or their love would mean nothing. Of course God is more powerful than Satan, but people can choose to give Satan more power than he has!

Argument 8: Have never used this argument, it's ridiculous.

Argument 9: Don't agree with this argument in every instance, but sometimes it is true!

Basically, I believe that ARGUMENTS are not going to benefit anyone. I try to live my life as close to the example of Jesus as I can, because I believe he is the embodiment of God's love. I'm far from perfect, and I don't try to force my beliefs on others, but since you asked..... : )

Answer 2

Argg... this is the same old stuff.
I only have time to address a few.
First, the universe being formed by chance - chance is not a force or object or power. A coin flip is determined by forces (upward motion, air resistance, surface structure and friction), not by "chance". In the same way you can't run to "chance" as the force that formed the universe - it's ridiculous.
Second, "no one can answer what the context is" etc. This is a sorry statement by someone who does not understand the Bible or know God. God made all the rules. Slavery, as instructed in the Bible, was not like the slavery you are used to. It was more like an indentured servant. What made it right to sell your daughter to be an indentured servant? You "sold" her to a fellow Jew. The fellow Jew treated her according to the law of God. Most importantly, God said it was permissible. Why is that different than today? We are not God's chosen people and therefore not a theocracy. Many of the other questions can be answered by searching the web. I added a few sites below.

Answer 3

God is created by man.
Religions (Christianity, Islam, etc) started when humans feared Thunder, lightning, Rain and Sun. Some smart human saw an opportunity, and became a "priest" and sold religion and built a following. Religion is big business. Religion is a sophisticated marketing campaign. They want your blind obedience (refer to Muslim suicide bombers), and your money (such as Islam, Mormons, Scientologists, other cults), and your mind (for the weak minded, religion is mental therapy).
But what has religion, Christianity, etc done for humanity? They keep the mentally challenged sheep within the fences of their ranch.
Obviously you can be a good person without being attached to any religion. You do not need someone in Rome, Mecca, Salt Lake City or California to tell you how to live a good, honest life. Do you want to be a prisoner of the Iman, Ayatollah, Pope for life?
Life is short. Live it to the fullest. Be happy. Smile at those who want you as a prisoner under their religion.
Be nice to them. Say Hi and move onl. You have a life to live. You know what is right and wrong. Leave the arguing to those who have time on their hands. Leave the logic and explanation to those who are paid to figure it out.
Be yourself. Be good to yourself and others.
Again, be happy.

Answer 4

well I'm not a christian so I don't claim most of those. The only one I'll comment on is number 2 - christianity may have claimed that the earth was the center of the universe but that certainly is not true of all religions. Many ancient civilizations were quite aware that the earth was not the center.

The fact that most people believe in the spiritual does not prove it, but it does mean that those who refuse to accept even the possibility of the spiritual are being egotistical.

Answer 5

Thomas R's methodology here is basically this:

"Come up with a website containing nine 'refutations' of Christianity, and then challenge Christians to respond to them in a Yahoo Q&A message even though an effective Christian response to them would really be the general length of a college term paper."

"Then, when the Christians don't respond, claim victory."

Answer 6

They do well known that the first christians were Jewish and that Jesus turned right into a Jew. notwithstanding, they communicate about that the Jews kill their messiah and prosecuted them for a lengthy time period. Then Emperor Constantine and Rome switched over, and the prestige quo flipped over. then you certainly men made this kind of basic scapegoat for see you later. the innovations-set is, you may be the selected people, yet you rejected the teachings of Gods son. Christians are followers of Christ. The non-racist ones choose you to be Jewish CHRISTIANS, and not in any respect basically jews. To them, you men are nevertheless sinners. What a *****, eh?

Answer 7

I can't I wont even try.
No man can convert another, it might be easier to convert a signpost.
I can drop a seed, answer a question or two. But only God converts.

Answer 8

Everyone has their own view... why do you pick on Christians who try to convert when you are trying to do the same by converting Christians to your beliefs? Any half brained Christian can refute those... That proves nothing...

Answer 9

Preach on, brother. I"m glad there's one more person with a logical brain here.

Answer 10

God Bless you!