Why did Jesus die?( for our sins? ) God could forgive us without his death.Wot would have happened if he lived

Question

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Answer 1

Jesus died in vain if the reason for his death was our sins.To achieve forgiveness all you need do is repent. Nobody can do it for you.

Answer 2

God has always required a sacrifice for sin. In the Old Testament, it was animal sacrifice.

In the New Testament, God tells us that He loves us so much that He wants us to live in eternity with Him. However, we are sinful by nature and therefore cannot enter into Heaven.

No, God could not forgive us with out a payment for what we have done. God had a plan. He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus to this earth (God's Word made flesh) to become our sacrifice. The Bible states that Jesus became our sin. This is an awesome concept. He took all of our sins, past and future upon Himself and bled and died. God had to turn His back on Jesus as He was dieing because God couldn't look at sin and couldn't change His mind.

If Jesus had changed His mind, we would be lost forever. But, Good News, He didn't. All that is required of us is that we believe that Jesus is God's Son, that He lived on this earth, died for our sin and now lives in Heaven with God and is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, repent (turn away from sin) and follow Him.

P.S. The reason that Jesus could qualify for this feat , which no other man could, is because He is God. He is one in the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Answer 3

"Why did Jesus die?( for our sins? ) "
Jesus died for our sins because:
1) it was the fulfillment of many many prophecies in the Old Testament.
2) Man was cursed with sin. God does not tolerate sin, and will not have it around for all eternity.
3) Therefore, man needed to either be annhilated or redeemed.
4) This is a really important one: God made man to do certain things with Him. God wanted us to return to hIm to be whatever that was.

"God could forgive us without his death."
You can see evidence of what I am about to write prominently throughout these type boards.
God wanted to communicate; how much the fact that there is sin, means to Him. God hates. God hates sin. He wants it gone forever. He required blood as payment, even though it's really a spiritual thing. The life of the soul resides in the blood. Blood is a part of flesh. The flesh then became mortal instead of immortal.
It was through the flesh that man had to be redeemed.

Redemption was either going to be required by following a set of Laws, or it was going to be required by sacrifice. If the Law was perfectly fulfilled, it would save, but only then. Since men were incapable of performing that perfection, they:
1) sinned
2) died.

God had promised that salvation was of Him. There are many verses in the Old Testament that say just that. Especially this one:
Psalms 68:20 He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death.

God would in essence, send Himself in the form of a man, the type of the kisman redeemer found in Ruth, and become the Lamb of God, referencing the Passover, where a lamb is slain to protect a household. Jesus the Lamb of God was slain for the whole world.

To be forgiven, one must go the rest of the way by faith- trusting Him for it.

"Wot would have happened if he lived"
We would still be stuck in the Law of Moses. But worse is that scripture would not have been fulfilled. God Himself would have failed, and His word return void.

But since it didn't happen that way. . . .

We all have a choice.

Answer 4

It is true God can forgive without death, but the world was so overcome with it at that time, that something more had to be done.
Jesus chose to die for our sins because, as our brother (which he is referred to in many religious texts), he loves us and cares about what happens to us.
If Jesus had lived, I do believe that it would not have been for much longer, unfortunately. The Romans would have found him still and killed him, possibly in a more brutal way. By dying that day on the cross, he proved to each and every one of us how deep his love truly is.

Answer 5

Sin demands punishment. There is ALWAYS a price. "The wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23) and this warning was given right from the beginning (Gen 2:17).
Hebrews 9:27 says without the shedding of blood theres no forgiveness of sin. God has chosen to limit himself by his word. His very nature demands that he is just and true--even to himself. A substitute had to be found if forgiveness was to be possible. God could not "forgive us without his death". He gave the Israelites a temporary arrangement, they needed a lamb for a sacrifice, and a literal "scapegoat". But this provision proved ineffective in dealing with the root cause of sin.
Jesus had to die to pay the penalty that Gods justice demanded. He became the lamb who offered himself as a substitute...the sinless lamb of God (which was enough to not only pay the penalty for sin that Gods justice demanded, but also remove the power of sin over everyone who would accept Gods free gift of salvation in Jesus (Romans 6:6,11).
What would have happened if he lived? I dont know about that one, but certainly Gods plan for salvation wouldnt have been made possible, without God breaking his word... and making himself untrustworthy.

Answer 6

God demands a blood sacrifice for sin. In other words when we sin we deserve to die. But God gave us a way out and that was lamb sacrifices. If a person sinned they would take the lamb to the temple in Jerusalem and at the entrance of the temple lay their hands on the lamb. This was a sign to say that they where giving the lamb there own sin. Then the priest waould sacrfice the lamb instead of the sinner. Many thousands of lambs where killed over thousands of years, The problem ws this didn't really deal with the problem of sin. When Jesus (Who is actually God) came he died instead of the lambs. He is known as the Lamb of God. But this sacrifice was going to be the only one needed. Instead of us reaching out to touch Jesus he reached out and touched us. All our sin was upon him. That's why he cried out, 'My God, my God, why have you foraken me?' This was because God could not look upon the sin that was upon him. Then Jesus died. But the amazing thing about this death was the subject was innocent. He never committed any sin. So death was reversed and Jesus conqured death and came back to life again. Thus he conqured sin and death. Now we need to give him our praise and worship, and turn our life towards him.

Answer 7

Did you see the movie The Da Vinci Code? Well the idea is that if he had lived then he would have had children, thus creating a bloodline. Because it would have been too hard to control an entire bloodline, the church decided to have this ending for the story of Jesus that is told in the Bible. How can you think that God created us all just to torture us, to give us a soul, a mind, lusts, cravings, etc. and this all for what? just to get kicks out of our suffering? I think the entire Bible is based on some denaturing of things that started with the first christian monks that were in need of a means to control hoards of people towards being slaves for them... Think about it, hope i could be of some assistance...

Answer 8

The wages (penalty) of sin are death. That is why He had to die, to pay for our sins. God is a just God, He also is Holy. His holiness cannot bear sin, when Jesus took our sins on His back and was punished for what we did, then the death sentence was lifted. He died so we won't have to. He does live now and forever. He has always lived.
All through the letters of Paul, he explains this.

Answer 9

You are so right. If god is so powerful, he could "forgive sins" any way he wanted. I think this is the single most fundamental flaw in the whole christian religion.

I love the "because blood is needed to wash away sin" and "not just any blood, the pure sinless blood only found in Jesus". This is not an explanation, just a redirection. The question then becomes Why is blood(shed) needed? why only pure blood? These "rules" are so random and arbitrary its sick.

Answer 10

The idea of Jesus as "the lamb" (to be sacrificed) is compelling and may be the originator of the "died for our sins" idea. The only trouble is that this is essentially a Jewish idea not carried into the Christian era which may disturb some Christians. The history of theology is littered with religions adopting/adapting previous ideas then shedding what didn`t fit in with their ideals. Personally, I think the idea that women originated sin and it took a man to expunge it says volumes about the social control which is religion.

Answer 11

Thanks For Your Questions :)

Well according to my religion Jesus peace be upon him was not a God infact A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):

(i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]

(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]

(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]

(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]

and according to my beleifs too he didnt die for our sins God says in The Quraan "Say: "Shall I seek a lord other than Allah, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing."

so you see here this is more convincing actually and there is allot to say and talk about in this matter that is more convincing
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