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And what was there before God for God to come from? Who made that?

2006-07-25 04:00:22 · 29 answers · asked by Phoenix, Wise Guru 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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A very logical question, unfortunately one with no answer.

2006-07-25 04:15:03 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

First Cause, or Cosmological Argument
The first cause, or cosmological argument, says that everything has a cause, and, since we supposedly can’t have an infinite series of causes stretching into the past, God must be the first cause — an uncaused cause. This argument has at least four problems.
The main problem of the first cause argument is the idea that every event has a cause. As we discovered in the 20th century, the universe is actually ruled at the bottom level by quantum mechanics, in which it’s possible for events to have no cause. An obvious example of quantum mechanics in action is the radioactive decay of a uranium atom. There is no previous cause for each such event, and we can only predict it with probability. The averaging of quantum effects gives us the Newtonian experience that we have. However, Newtonian physics does not control the universe; quantum mechanics and Einsteinian relativity do. We now know that the universe has an intrinsic, bottom level of uncertainty that cannot be bypassed. Quantum mechanics also shows us that objects can appear out of nothing and then disappear back into nothing. Even in supposedly empty space, virtual particles are continuously appearing and disappearing. This is a real and measurable process, via what is known as the Casimir Effect.

The beginning of the universe — of all the matter and energy in it and even of time itself — is called the Big Bang. The science of quantum mechanics is only a century old, and already we've been able to get extremely close to understanding the beginning of the universe — with no god needed. How close can we get? Approximately a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second after the Big Bang. The Big Bang theory is supported by extensive data. The four most prominent facts are:


The red shift of almost all galaxies — getting greater as their distance increases.
- This shows that the galaxies are flying away from each other — at greater speeds at greater distances.
The cosmic microwave background radiation.
- This is a remnant of the radiation from the Big Bang, and has cooled over time to the exact temperature predicted.
The proportions of the lightest elements and isotopes.
- This helps show that the calculations for nuclear interactions immediately following the Big Bang are correct.
The changes in galaxies as we look further away (and thus back in time), with distant galaxies more primitive.
- This shows some of the changes in the universe since the Big Bang, and confirms the deep time of the universe.
The physicist and cosmologist Alan Guth of MIT has put forth the scientific theory, called Inflation, that the Big Bang was just the result of a random quantum event called a vacuum fluctuation — with no cause, created out of the space vacuum, and with a total energy of zero. Even tho this doesn’t make sense in the Newtonian physics of our experience of the world, it does make sense in quantum mechanics and Einstein’s general relativity. In relativity, gravity is negative energy and matter is positive energy. Because the two seem to be equal in absolute total value, our universe appears balanced to the sum of zero. Our universe could thus have come into existence without violating conservation of mass and energy. There is also excellent experimental and theoretical evidence to support Inflation Theory. Even if Inflation Theory is eventually shown to be wrong or incomplete, that doesn’t mean that “God did it.”

The next problem of the first cause argument is the assumption that an infinite chain of events is impossible. Many cosmologists have proposed that our universe could be part of a much larger, super and perhaps eternal meta-universe; we certainly don’t know for sure, and may never know. However, this meta-universe would allow infinite chains of events.

Another problem comes from the definition of God as perfect and unchanging. If these qualities were true, then why would God need a universe and how could God change from not needing a universe to needing one?

The last problem with the first cause argument lies in its assumption that this eternal god exists, something that it is trying to prove. This is known as begging the question. Even a child can ask, “If God created the universe, then who created God?” If the answer is that God is uncaused, then the same answer could certainly be applied to the existence of the universe — that it is uncaused. Besides, which god are we talking about? People using the first cause argument always make the assumption that their god did the creating. Muslims think that Allah created the universe. Hindus think that Brahma did it. Christians and Jews think that Yahweh did it. Most religions have a story of how their god created the universe. The idea of a god as creator of the universe obviously tells us little about the characteristics of that god. What they are doing is explaining one mystery with a bigger mystery, and that is fallacious logic.

2006-07-25 11:12:58 · answer #2 · answered by onanist13 3 · 0 0

2 states: One for the normal people like me and the other for ones who want to go on and search for GOD.

1st State: God is a super natural power, which humans have defined so that they have a constant fear that someone is watching them.

2nd State: You have to think beyond what your eyes normally see. Do not try to think God as an entity.

You have to close your eyes and just TRY to think as if you are entering your body and your aim is to reach your navel.

Compare it with your cellar or a room which is not opened for years and now you want to enter this room. Initially, it will be dark, dusty, may be insects, you do not know.

Same way, you have never tried reaching your navel and its not years, its for centuries you have not gone there. So, you may be scared and there will be lot of deviations, for instance when I close my closes ever and try to meditate, I get itching in my back. These are actually deviations, which can not be crossed by a normal man. And believe me if you ever get an itching again, just assume that you are playing a game and you will win ONLY if you dot not scratch your back. Your itching wil be gone.

I hope you read the whole para before closing your eyes .. if at all ... lol

2006-07-25 11:17:21 · answer #3 · answered by James B 2 · 0 0

Creation of Humanity utilized to explain what science of the time couldn't for example: volcanic erruptions--God of the Volcanoe; sunrise/set--God of the Sun; The Moon--Mood God, etc. All contrivances of humanity to explain what science didn't understand. Now science has made great progress and so has religion (only to a point though)..We have the one Almight God (if there is one). Still exists today to serve as the answer for questions our science and philosphy can't adequately address: Why do we exsit? or more personally Why am I here? PEACE!

2006-07-25 11:30:28 · answer #4 · answered by thebigm57 7 · 0 0

Gee... Another question of Gods existence, well if you must know ... God is energy and axiom of creating pulse and impulse, the universe curves within itself (like an onion or the rings of a tree) every new cycle begins where it ends and adds on to the previous. It exists outside of time for time itself is invented by the feeble minds of humans seeking to measure the pass of existence

2006-07-25 11:47:19 · answer #5 · answered by I'm a brain in a Jar 3 · 0 0

God is one, pure, and clean from all defects. He is the only one worthy of worship. He has no beginning nor does he have an end. He has no partner. The earth, sky, stars, sun, everything was created by him alone, and he is the master of all things. He has the ability to make a person rich or poor. He gives things life and death by his command. He is pure from and relations e.g. Father, mother, son, daughter, etc. He does not have face or body and nothing is like Him, he is free from any position or place.

I invite you to visit these sites

www.sultan.org
www.myislamweb.com/
www.geocities.com/wisamzaqoot

2006-07-25 11:10:04 · answer #6 · answered by wisam z 3 · 0 0

Ok, here's an attempt at a serious answer. I will not respond to "oh yeah, well what about... " retorts. I'm not here to debate.

God did not "come from" anywhere. In other words, all things (visible or invisible) that exist are in one of two categories... creator or creature. The triune God of the Bible is the only God. He is the only creator. Everything else is created. We are all dependent upon God for our existence.

So, what about God?

One of God's attributes is called "aseity". It essentially means to be self-derived. That is not the same thing as "self created" since that is a logical absurdity. For more info see ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseity

In other words, God has the "power" to "be" with no dependence on anything or anyone else. He has always been, and had no beginning. There was nothing "before" God. As the Gospel of Johs says in chapter 1, verse 1... "In the beginning was God..."

Now, the Christian gospel is this. Because of Adam's fall, and because he was the federal head of the human race, we are born in sin and separated from God. On our own we will eventually be judged by Christ and held accountable for our sin.

Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, came to reconcile sinners to God by both his active obedience to God's law and his passive obedience to allow himself to be crucified in our stead.

Be reconciled to God by repenting and believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. Your sins will be laid on Christ and Christ's righteousness will be given to you. In Christ, in faith, you will be counted as righteous before God. Christ will not be your judge, but your advocate.

2006-07-25 11:23:13 · answer #7 · answered by chuck.shanks 1 · 0 0

Read Chapter one in Genesis. God was just there. A bit better from the evolutionists perspective of trying to answer how we got the Big Bang (Big Dud). I believe in the Beginning, God...
Evolutionists believe, in the beginning, Dust....

Wow. Who's right?

2006-07-25 11:05:43 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

He's a figment of our imagination we made it up because most humans cant handle the fact that what happens after death is a mystery or nothing could happen at all and that we are only a tiny part of a tiny world and part of an endless cycle...that is until this world ends

2006-07-25 11:08:02 · answer #9 · answered by snooka 1 · 0 0

Is this like the question who pulled the trigger for the big bang?
a cosmic whodunnit mystery... but since I dont believe inthe Big Bang and think its' likely to be abandomned in the next century as unuseful

God always existed
He is the uncaused cause
He is not an effect he is a cause

2006-07-25 11:32:31 · answer #10 · answered by whirlingmerc 6 · 0 0

God never come from anywhere coz he was always here.
In green grass
In flowing water
In blue sky
In vast space
In Human heart
In giant rocks
In chilling glaciers
In dense forest
In every organism

God Is Everywhere
Even In You !

2006-07-25 11:12:40 · answer #11 · answered by Avinesh 2 · 0 0

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