Where in the Bible are "seven times seventy" for forgiveness and "turn the other cheek"? Ch. & verse please :)

Answer 1

They can both be found in Matthew, in the King James version. (See link below)

Matthew 18:21 says, "Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."

Matthew 5:38 says, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Answer 2

Seven Times Seventy

Answer 3

Seven times seventy is Matthew 18:22

Turn the other cheek can be found in Matthew 5:39

Answer 4

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)

Matthew 18:22 (New International Version)
22Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Answer 5

You can find it in

Answer 6

It's in there between the front cover and the back cover. Please read the whole thing, and memorize it before you start quoting verses to other people.

Answer 7

it matt

Answer 8

"turn the other cheek"?

http://www.forlovingkindness.org/excerptcheek.html
How to Turn the Other Cheek and Still Survive in Today's World
From pages xiii to xviii...
Marching -- Gently -- As To War?
Obviously we Christian people today do not admire (and we refuse to live by) the model of the "gentle Jesus, meek and mild." That's clear. And what metaphor have we chosen instead? You can find the answer to that question by looking on the shelves of any religious bookstore. We have not chosen the Shepherd or even the Parent; overwhelmingly, our chosen model for both men and women is the Warrior. Warriors are not meek and mild.Warriors are brave,loyal, honest, trustworthy, and strong. They stand up for their principles; they defend their country and their home and their loved ones. They stand firm for freedom and truth. You can put your hand in a Warrior's hand and go confidently forward, knowing that you are safe -- because whatever may happen, the Warrior will be able to deal with it.

But look carefully at that word, please! Warrior. What does it mean, to you?

In his book, Tender Warrior, Stu Weber writes that "There is a difference between a warrior and a brute" (1993, 41). No doubt there is; but our culture perceives that difference as primarily a difference of skill. When we speakers of English look at the word warrior, we see war, plus one of the English endings for doer. Our language tells us that a preacher is one who preaches, an actor is one who acts -- and a warrior is one who wars. When we go to any movie with "Warrior" prominently featured in its title, we expect to see a hero who hits and overpowers and maims and, if necessary, kills. That's what Warrior means. We do not expect to see that hero turning the other cheek and returning good for evil. When we say or hear the word, when we read or write it, when we think it, this is how we understand it. Putting spiritual in front of warrior (or warfare) doesn't make it mean something else; our minds don't work that way, where language is concerned. ... And who ever heard of a gentle war? Who ever heard of a war in which the warriors loved their enemies and did their best to be good to them? Who ever sang a hymn about Christian soldiers marching gently and meekly and tenderly off to war?

We live in a world where, despite the fact that the Bible commands us more than twenty times to do things gently, gentleness is despised. ... Every part of our society appears to support these three propositions:

1. Winning is everything.
2. Losing is a disgrace.
3. And we, we Warriors, are obligated to get out there and fight.

This is the heart of our difficulty, and this is where the misery begins -- as we devote ourselves to the ethic of the Warrior and strive to behave like one, while at the same time believing that we are commanded to behave totally unlike a Warrior. If we are honest, we have to admit that our model and metaphor for turning the other cheek is the Coward.

We don't like to say that, but it is the truth. In our minds, we see it like this: The Warrior strikes the cringing Coward across the face, presumably for excellent reasons; the Coward then offers the other cheek in a desperate effort to placate and escape. Our culture -- even the parts looked upon as spiritual -- keeps insisting that we must be the Warrior. The Bible seemingly orders us to be the Coward. Desperately, we keep trying to find some way to meet both demands at the same time.

This way lies a kind of religious schizophrenia, a sort of gridlock of the spirit and mind. We cannot be both Warrior and Coward at the same time. ... When we human beings find ourselves in a situation like this, facing the unfaceable, we tend to choose one course of action and stick to it doggedly, no matter how badly things go. We are like a person digging a well and finding no water, who goes on endlessly making the same dry hole deeper and deeper instead of digging somewhere else.

We are making two basic errors here over and over again, errors not of faith but of language, that condemn us to this gridlock:

1. We have misunderstood the instruction to turn the other cheek, and we keep trying to make that misunderstanding fit, somehow, into our spiritual lives.
2. We have chosen the word warrior to name our model and metaphor for the spiritual life, in spite of the fact that the meaning we understand that word to have is totally in conflict with our understanding of the command to turn the other cheek.

It's not surprising that this doesn't work. ...

Our reaction....has been, "It can't be true that I have to turn the other cheek when someone strikes me; that's ridiculous. But because the words were spoken by Jesus, I have to pretend that I believe those words and will obey them."

This strategy is familiar to all of us because we learned it as small children. We've had lots of practice at it, and we have an accurate name for it: We call it "paying lip service." Remember? Your parents had told you solemnly, over and over, that you must not lie. But when your neighbor came visiting with a new baby and asked you, "Isn't she beautiful?" your mother and father lied and said yes, right in front of you! And when you said -- truthfully -- "She's not beautiful, she's UGly!" you were punished for your honesty. From incidents like this, you learned that you were expected to pretend that lying is forbidden and to pretend that you would always obey that rule, but that in the real world things are handled differently. And you did your best, given those difficult circumstances.

We have been dealing with "turn the other cheek" in exactly the same way. We've been assuming that turning the other cheek is another such example because somewhere in our distant past we decided that it delivers this message:

"OW! That hurt! But it's safe to hit me again, because I'm a coward and I'm so scared of you! Here, I'll even turn my other cheek toward you so it's more convenient for you to hit me!"

I suggest to you that that was a mistake and that turning the other cheek is intended to deliver this very different message:

"Please notice -- I am not afraid of you at all."

This is no cowardly message! On the contrary, it's strong and serene and confident and unafraid. We have been misunderstanding, all along, in spite of the fact that we trust God not to be perverse, and in spite of the fact that nowhere is there any evidence that Jesus was a coward. The misunderstanding has become so embedded in our culture and our minds, by habit and repetition, that it has hidden the true meaning from us all along.

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(And from pages xix to xx...)

To turn the other cheek to the one who strikes us with the message that "I am not afraid of you at all," we have to mean it. We can't just pretend. We have to have the serenity and the confidence and the courage that make the message true. We have to know that no matter what happens, we do have the resources and skills necessary to deal with it -- so that we have no reason to be afraid. Otherwise, we won't be able to follow through.

That is what this book is about...to show you how you can have -- not pretend to have, but really have -- those resources and skills.

Copyright © 2000 Suzette Haden Elgin
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Turn The Other Cheek
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:38:45 RSV)
The above verses are from the "Sermon on the Mount," spoken from what is today called the Mount of Beatitudes overlooking the Sea Of Galilee (in photo) in the Galilee region of northern Israel.

Many have wondered just how far the famous "turn the other cheek" instruction from Jesus Christ should go in everyday Christian Living. Does it mean that we must allow ourselves to be defenseless victims of every thief or attacker that may come along?

It's very important to realize the context in which Jesus Christ was speaking. In essence, He was telling those gathered there before Him, as well as us today, that Christians are not to respond to religious persecutors as though they were common criminals. He went on to say, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44 RSV).

Jesus Christ was not prohibiting self defense by Christians in a manner permitted by law. He also said, "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace." (Luke 11:21 RSV). No "turn the other cheek" for burglars or looters, and by extension, every other sort of common criminal.

But why "turn the other cheek" toward religious persecutors? And how should we respond to those who are unfriendly toward us, as Christians, because they don't yet have the "ears to hear"? (see Fools For Christ and "A Proud Atheist")

Consider -

"And The Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to every one, an apt teacher, forbearing, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." (2 Timothy 2:24-26 RSV)

A thief knows exactly what he's doing, stealing your property, plain and simple. On the other hand, someone who attacks you because of your Christianity does not know what he's doing. His or her time of understanding of God's Truth, and choosing whether or not to obey it, has not yet come. Right now, you have a tremendous advantage over that individual.

Would you want to harm a good friend? That's what your persecutor may one day turn out to be, and that friendship will last forever, through a glorious eternity (see Why Were You Born?), far longer than the few years of a troublesome human lifetime (see Why Does God Allow Suffering?).

The apostle Paul was once one of the most hostile enemies of Christian people. He actually took part in the killing of Stephen, regarded by many as the first Christian martyr. But Paul became one of the greatest Christians of all Bible History after his conversion On The Road To Damascus. His writings now provide us with a very large part of the New Testament (see New Testament Fact File).

Paul's example is solid proof that sometimes the worst enemy can become the best friend, but it requires patience and Forgiveness on our part, while God does His part, in His own good time.

"Turn the other cheek" is an important rule for Christians because, as Jesus Christ said as they were brutally killing Him, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34 RSV)

Fact Finder: Will God forgive our sins against Him if we don't forgive those who sin against us?
Matthew 6:15


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Turning the other cheek.

Jesus teaches us that when someone slaps us on the cheek, we are to turn the other one toward him or her also. Shall we allow people to abuse us? Is this a veiled message from Christ to resist those who wrong us? I doubt that very much. First of all he explicitly tells us to NOT resist those who persecute us.

Matthew 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

The problem has an easy solution once the verse in question is put back into its proper context. Notice that the instruction to "turn the other cheek" is one part of a four part series, which seem to inform each other. We are encouraged to think about how turning the other cheek is like giving your cloak, going the extra mile or giving to those who want to borrow from you. Jesus has contrasted those items with the Mosaic Law, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

There is nothing wrong with the Mosaic Law, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." It is fair and equitable and a wonderful model of justice. People ought to get what they deserve. If they harm someone, the injured should be repaid in kind. Justice must be enforced and upheld for the good of society. People ought to be held accountable for their actions.

Now Jesus came to establish his kingdom on Earth. Those who enter that kingdom must come into it with the understanding that if they all got what they deserved, none of them would be there. If we all got justice from God, we would all end up in the Lake of Fire. Out of his love for us, God has provided a way for his grace to trump his justice toward us. His son offered himself as an acceptable offering to appease God's wrath toward us. All of those who enter God's kingdom do not get what they deserve.

As we live out our lives in this age we are to live as ambassadors of that future kingdom. In our kingdom, love trumps justice. Whereas we all deserved damnation, we received, forgiveness, reconciliation, salvation and redemption. As ambassadors from that other kingdom, we are to display our Lord's love toward others, going beyond fairness. Our king says that vengeance is his. We shall not injure those who injure us. Just as our Lord loves his enemies, we too, shall love our enemies.

In each of the things that Jesus lists, he is telling us to go beyond what is expected of us. If a man sues you for your tunic then you are compelled to give it to him. But you are not compelled to give him your cloak. You have no choice in whether to give your tunic but you do have a choice to give him your cloak. By giving the man your cloak you are sending the message that your concern for him is not out of obligation. You freely chose to do the man some good.

If a Roman soldier compels you to carry his load a mile, then you have to carry it. But you don't have to carry it the second mile. If you do decide to carry his load the second mile it means something very different. If you want to carry a man's load out of love for that man you carry it longer than is required by law. The law tells you to carry the load for one mile. The second mile is where your love comes out. The Mosaic Law demands that everyone be treated fairly. But when you go beyond what is required, you fulfill the law of love.

The law requires that you must loan money to those who ask you. But why not just give them the money? Go beyond what is required. Love your brother or sister and just give them what they need. As ambassador's of the far country we know that everything we own was given to us by our heavenly Father. And we have all his abundance riches at our disposal. We will never go without or be in need.

To turn the other cheek is to trust in our God. He says that he will take vengeance and he will. We must be patient like him as we wait for repentance. To turn the other cheek is to go beyond what is expected. The other person expects us to retaliate but instead we wish the other person well. We strive to act like "chips off the old block" -- like our father in heaven. He forgives his enemies and provides for them out of his goodness and so must we. He has mercy on his enemies and wishes them well and so should we. As we interact with other people in light of the Gospel, we begin to learn that we are no more or no less worthy of God's love than our fellow human beings. As we work out the implications of the Gospel in our everyday lives we learn to appreciate how far love must go beyond what is expected.
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NOTES
Long awaited first album from JB Begley ,who's honest Gospel music comes
through on each song,has been singing and writing songs for some twenty years. He
puts everything into to each song as is evident on Seven Times Seventy his debut album.
" Most of my songs come right out of scipture,says JB."I am inspired by God's
word daily" and I enjoy sharing the Good News with all people,especially those who are
lost and undone,because of sin in their lives."God has brought me from darkness of war
and death to make a difference to those in need of healing,which can only come from
having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,our Lord and Saviour." This work is my
testimony that God lives ! and loves his children so much,that he gave his only begotten
son,Jesus of Nazerath,who died on a cross many years ago,so we might have everlasting
life and dwell with the Father who is in Heaven."
"I am but a (Vessel),but Still (A Chosen One) trying to (Run To
The Shelter) to be with God Almighty". This is my exspression of living for God in these
songs." May this album bless those in need of Salvation and Spiritial Healing in Jesus
Holy name."
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Seventy Times Seven.

I.


Mt 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go
and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he
shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or
two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses
every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the
church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be
unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth
shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose
on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on
earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be
done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my
name, there am I in the midst of them.
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall
my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven
times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven
times: but, Until seventy times seven.



God had not sent his Holy Spirit as of present.
The Church was not yet. The meaning then wasany assembly.

Many Students of the Bible use this passage as authority to bring
someone before the church for discipline which usually means the are going
oust him or her out of the Local Church.
From careful reading one finds the following:
1. The meaning of words Gr. ecclesia (ek=="out of," kaleo =="to call"),
an assembly of called out ones. The word is used of any assembly;
the word itself implies no more, as, e.g., the town-meeting at Ephesus
#Ac 19:39 and Israel, called out of Egypt and assembled in the
wilderness #Ac 7:38. Israel was a true "church," but not in any sense
the N.T. church--the only point of similarity being that both were
"called out" and by the same God. All else is contrast.
(As Per the Old Scofield Oxford Press)
2: This was an assembly, or court. Legal in court was 2 or 3 witness.
A word of caution.
3. Give the person the benefit of doubt. You could have miss understood.
4. Were two or three are gathered there is Jesus. Sounds Like a Church.
5. Be careful in this matter. What you do (Bound) on earth is bound in Heaven.
Loose on earth is loose in heaven.
6. Don't take this likely .
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
man soweth, that shall he also reap.
6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap
corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
Spirit reap life everlasting.
7. Be very careful of a Church (Pastor ) that tries to control you.
Our Lord and Saviour Gave the right to Chose, He Sent the Comforter to Guide each person
8. Elders sometimes use this to cover their short coming. Or to discourage some from contending
for the faith. Jude 1:3
9. People are getting out of Dead, Dry, and Churches that seem to believe in the power of man
rather than the Power of a Powerful, Holy God. They want to hold their Church Letters.

The Letters tell the Character of the member thereforth then in effect belong to the believer .
The believer is born into the Lord's church. Act 18:27. Letters were Granted. Please READ
VERSES.

10. The Churches is made up of believers. There is a doctrine that a Church has to be extend the
arm before they are Scriptural.
Jesus gave all of the commands to the Believers. It is the duty of the believer to pass the
Gospel on. Salvation is not in the Church but Through Christ work on the Cross.
Read verse 20.
11. Finally in verses 22 Seventy times seventy. We are to keep Forgiving.
A church that is not willing to forgive is saying that Christ did not Finish ourSalvation
on the cross. He said it is Finished.
12. Discipline means from Webster's New School & Office
Dictionary:.
n. "Menial or moral training; education; subjection to control;
military regulation; chastisement; an instrument of
punishment; v. t. to train to obedience or efficiency;
regulate; chastise". There are words in this definition that
need explaining.

The meaning that the bible attaches to it is To train or nurture along.
The word comes from Disciple,
Dictionary used above. Defines it as :
n. one who receives the teaching of another; a scholar; a follower.

II.
1. In Eph Chapter 4 it tells of The Walk and Service of The Believer.

2. Again in I Tim 5:6 - 25 it tells in verses to rebuke them of sin that others my fear
God. Not to discipline them in such a way that others see the harshness of your discipline.
Some use it to the point it becomes brainwashing. Look at what verse 22 states.
We are to be very careful.
A church we had been in Disciplined a man, bible carrying God fearing man.
The reason the pastor disciplined him was because he fell a sleep on this lady's Couch in
the summer.
At one O'clock in the morning. The Man was ninety plus years old, the lady was
eight plus years old. What was the Pastor doing out at that time of night?
He is no longer a Pastor any where. His marriage is no more. You must take care of the
Home front first.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
I have said to be very careful in this matter. God's word Tells us to save that brother.
Once you throw them out of the church, The chance of God using people, God's word goes
down.
People forget about them equals less pray for them.
again This pastor that did this is no longer a preacher, his wife has left him.
Matt 7:1 - 6; John 8:1 - 11. The People involved needs to check The Own sins.
Be Careful. The message is very clear. 1 Peter 2:1 - 3:15; James 5:1 - 11.
It must be done Prayerfully. Lead by the Holy Ghost.
Remember God gave a us a freewill and he has never messed with a person freedom of
choice.

Eph 6:7.
Usually when it gets that bad there is something wrong with the spirit of that church.
The pastor is not preaching the word. The beauifty of preaching in the Spirit is to preach
about a sin you do not know is going on.
The Holy Spirit uses the Word Of God. Heb 4:12.
In closing one need to take a serious look at our actions.
1 Cor Chapter13. Charity means Love.
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