Sincere ? - If Jesus was God, as many Christians claim, then who was He praying to in the Garden?

Question

In the Garden of Gesthemene, He asked the Father, "Father, if Thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Thine be done.” (Luke 22:42)

If God and Jesus are the same, wasn't he simply following His own will then? Or could He not follow His own will, as I understand to be implied here, because of the will of His Father?

And a related question - why did He ask His Father "My God, My God, Why have You forsaken Me?" (Matthew 27:26)

If Jesus and God are the same, then didn't He abandon Himself?

And there are numerous other passages where Jesus distinguishes Himself as the "Son," separate from the Father.

I was raised as a Christian, but I was NEVER taught that Jesus and God are the same. I was taught that Jesus was the Son of God, "God made flesh" and "God made man."

So - where does Jesus Himself claim that He and God are the same?

(Please don't tell me who the Apostles or any others claim that He is - please refer to Jesus' own statements).

John S. If you would read the post, you will see that I said that I was taught the Jesus was the Son of God, "God made flesh" and "God made man." But no, I was not taught that they were THE SAME.

Shooter Parent: Thank you for the passages from the scriptures.

But I wonder if Jesus is saying He IS God when he asks "Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."

This may be a bad comparison, giving the belief in the divinity of Jesus, but ...

Christians claim to have Christ in their hearts, but they are not claiming to be Christ, right? And they claim to being doing God's work, but they are not claiming to be God, right?

So when Jesus claims to be "in the Father" and to have "the Father, living in me," how is this understood that He is saying that They are the same?

Airboy Hoss: why do you claim that one seeking an understanding is "pick[ing] this concept apart in figuring it out"? Believe me, I have spent much time seeking answers to these and many questions. Are you suggesting I should just accept it - is that how it will "reveal itself"? Are you suggesting that one shouldn't ask these sorts of questions?

Answer 1

He didn't. People like to use John 10:30. But they stop there, and not read the rest of what Jesus was saying.

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Answer 2

John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." [8] Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." [9] Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? [10] Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Jesus is a part of the trinity. The father, son and holy spirit are all god, yet seperate. Just another aspect of God we can't comprehend as mortals

Answer 3

Jesus is the word of God, Jesus is not God.

1. The most high living God of Israel is the God almighty.............. and Jesus' and our Father..

2. Jesus is the word of God

3. The Holy Spirit is the working force of God

example..Ge 1:3 9 God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

1. God = The most high living God of Israel.....1. said = the mind and will of God.... " let there be light" = 2. The words are Jesus...and there was light= 3. the Holy Spirit the working force of God..

And these three are one,...... though the word and Holy Spirit are subordinate to the mind/will of the most high God

However nothing is done without the mind and will of the most high living God of Israel, not the word ( Jesus ) nor the working force..( Holy Spirit ) and these three are one..

And the word was made flesh= Jesus the word sent from God for our salvation in human form...

That is why Jesus never claimed to be God and always said the Father was greater then He, also Jesus always exalted the God of Israel as his Father and prayed to Him..

The mix up on the Trinity came from the false teachers...It is all in the book of John..

Answer 4

Two ways to look at this:

1) The church has long held that Jesus had both a human side and a divine side (he had both the spirit of God and the spirit of a man). So perhaps his "human" side was praying to God the Father.

2) The church has held that it is part of the nature of the Trinity that all three parts of God are all equally God, even if looked at individually. So, God the Son could be praying to God the Father.

Answer 5

The Lord, Our Father, and Jesus Christ are the same being while still different entities. Also, Jesus was a human incarnation of Christ. So although Christ is the Son of God as well as God Himself, Jesus is the Son of Man. Jesus most often in the Gospels refers to Himself as the Son of Man, to emphasize His human nature. So praying to His God is pretty much again emphasizing the desperate, emotional, human half of Him.

Answer 6

God the Father, Jesus is God the Son

Answer 7

When you look at a tree, what is seeing the tree? You, or your eye? The fact that Jesus at that time was a physical manifestation of God, and a facet of His being, shouldn't be much of a challenge for someone of your intellect.

God the Father, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are all facets of one Being. There are several biblical references of God speaking, and using plurals like "we" and "us". Just because it is difficult to wrap around intellectually, doesn't make it not so. I'll bet if you used the same energy that it takes to pick this concept apart in figuring it out, you would crack the code in no time.

Answer 8

Okay heres the deal: Theres the trinity thing right? God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are all different, but they are one in the same also....its kind of complicated. And since Jesus was at that time in the flesh, he prayed to his Father. Its confusing but thats what it is.

Answer 9

You might be interpreting "God made flesh" incorrectly. It means God in the form of flesh. It happened that the member of the Trinity Who came to earth as a man was God, the Son. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have all coexisted as God eternal. God is a Trinity. There are many places in The Bible where He is shown to be triune, though it cannot be perfectly explained in human terms.

Here is one verse that most concisely illustrates the three-in-one nature of God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matthew 3:16 - 17)

The verse describes God the Son on earth, the Holy Spirit descending from heaven, and God the Father speaking from His place in the heavens.

Jesus Christ came to earth so that God could show man that He was willing to experience every aspect of being human. That purpose could not have been fulfilled unless Jesus allowed Himself to be so humbled that He needed to pray, just as any man.

Answer 10

Well, in the Garden Jesus was flesh and He was praying to God who was/is Spirit. The same as now when we pray. We are flesh praying to God who is Spirit.

Passage Hebrews 2:14:
14.) Because God's children are human beings--made of flesh and blood--Jesus also became flesh and blood by being born in human form. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the Devil, who had the power of death.

Answer 11

THIS WORLD IS DECEIVED ABOUT THIS AND SO MUCH MORE. THEY CANNOT COMPREHEND THAT JESUS WAS THE GOD OF THE OT AND THE SON OF GOD. THERE IS THE SON AND THE FATHER, JESUS WAS THE GOD OF THE OT BECAUSE THE FATHER IS SO PURE THAT NO MAN CAN HEAR OR SEE HIM WITHOUT DIEING.
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
1ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
CLOSED YOUR EYES
Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mt 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mt 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Ac 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Ac 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Ro 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Ro 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Ro 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.