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Proof of God - Intelligent Design
What would constitute objective proof of God? Well, consider the following self-evident and universally recognized truth: Concept and design necessitate an intelligent designer. The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer. It's simply cause and effect. In our search for proof of God's existence, we could examine the various claims of supernatural occurrences, determine whether or not these are legitimate experiences, and build a case for the existence of the supernatural, which would be a step towards identifying a supernatural Creator God. Or we can just apply what we already know and search for signs of intelligent design within creation itself.

We know that design necessitates a designer. In fact, in accordance with this fundamental axiom, design detection methodology is a prerequisite in many fields of human endeavor, including archaeology, anthropology, forensics, criminal jurisprudence, copyright law, patent law, reverse engineering, crypto analysis, random number generation, and SETI. And how do we recognize intelligent design? In general, we find "specified complexity" to be a reliable indicator of the presence of intelligent design. Chance can explain complexity alone but not specification -- a random sequence of letters is complex but not specified (it's meaningless). A Shakespearean sonnet is both complex and specified (it's meaningful). We can't have a Shakespearean sonnet without Shakespeare. (William A. Dembski, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities, 1998.)

Proof of God - Nature
So where's the proof of God's existence? In accordance with our familiar axiom and in light of the tremendous advances we've made in molecular biology, biochemistry, genetics and information theory, the proof of God is all around us!

Through the microscope, we observe the E. coli bacterial flagellum. The bacterial flagellum is what propels E. coli bacteria through its microscopic world. It consists of about 40 individual protein parts including a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It's a microscopic outboard motor! The individual parts come into focus when magnified 50,000 times (using electron micrographs). And even though these microscopic outboard motors run at an incredible 100,000 rpm, they can stop on a microscopic dime. It takes only a quarter turn for them to stop, shift directions and start spinning 100,000 rpm in the opposite direction! The flagellar motor has two gears (forward and reverse), is water-cooled, and is hardwired into a signal transduction (sensory mechanism) so that it receives feedback from its environment. ("Unlocking the Mystery of Life," video documentary by Illustra Media, 2002.)

When we apply the general principles of detecting specified complexity to biologic systems (living creatures), we find it reasonable to infer the presence intelligent design. Take, for example, the bacterial flagellum's stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, and propeller. It is not convenient that we've given these parts these names - that's truly their function. If you were to find a stator, rotor, drive-shaft, U-joint, or propeller in any vehicle, machine, toy or model, you would recognize them as the product of an intelligent source. No one would expect an outboard motor -- much less one as incredible as the flagellar motor -- to be the product of a chance assemblage of parts. Motors are the product of intelligent design.

Furthermore, the E. coli bacterial flagellum simply could not have evolved gradually over time. The bacterial flagellum is an "irreducibly complex" system. An irreducibly complex system is one composed of multiple parts, all of which are necessary for the system to function. If you remove any one part, the entire system will fail to function. Every individual part is integral. There is absolutely no naturalistic, gradual, evolutionary explanation for the bacterial flagellum. (Michael Behe, Darwin's Black Box, 1996.)

The bacterial flagellum (not to mention the irreducibly complex molecular machines responsible for the flagellum's assembly) is just one example of the specified complexity that pervades the microscopic biological world. Molecular biologist Michael Denton wrote, "Although the tiniest bacterial cells are incredibly small, weighing less than 10-12 grams, each is in effect a veritable micro-miniaturized factory containing thousands of exquisitely designed pieces of intricate molecular machinery, made up altogether of one hundred thousand million atoms, far more complicated than any machinery built by man and absolutely without parallel in the non-living world." (Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 1986, p. 250.)

Proof of God - His Fingerprints are Everywhere
Where is the proof of God? If we're willing to open our eyes, we'll see the fingerprints of God all around us and all throughout us. Our very existence proves the existence of a Creator God.

Answer 1

While 'design' implies a designer just by the definition, complexity does not imply design. In fact, one of the amazing aspects of natural selection is the ability to cause increased complexity. One thing we have found in the last couple of decades is how very simple rules of development can lead to very complex structures and behaviors (see chaos theory and the study of fractals).

As for the flagellum: One thing that many ID proponents don't take into consideration is that structures do not have to have evolved from structures with the same use. In fact, the flaggelum evolved from a secretory system, not a propulsion system. It is actually quite common in evolution for organs to change use over time or develop new uses.

The biggest difficulty in ID is figuring out good criteria for when some structure is designed as opposed to simply complex. At this time, the criteria that have been suggested either are too general (and fail to distinguish design) or have no actual experiemental examples.

Answer 2

LOL, Intelligent design is your proof? I'm sorry, but one of the first thing you learn in school is that you're not supposed to use the word you are trying to define in the definition... You can't use "God exists, because... well look around you." as proof that a murderous wretch exists. (If he does exist, then he has killed more beings on this earth than Hitler). If I believed in God, I would shoot Intelligent Design down because it is hurting the church. It is anything but intelligent.

Answer 3

All I see in your question is the ongoing adoption of science to justify religion.Like religion has always done you claim everything that is not yet scientifically explainable.
You can not seriously defend Creation anymore so you come with intelligent design and it will probably keep you happy for a while.
We don't claim to know everything but work everyday to extend our knowledge.Religion has many times stood in the way of progress,so believe what you want ,you are not fooling anybody who knows his science.

Answer 4

"design necessitates a designer" oh yeah? where's the proof of THAT statement. what about *happenstance*?

Basically, ID wants you accept that God started the universe with the Big Bang and began the process of evolution. If you believe that, then you must believe that God waited for 14.7 Billion years for mankind to be able to understand His Word. What was He doing all that time? We must not be very important to Him. Why should He be important to us?

Answer 5

As usual, here we see long senseless sequence of words and citation of other crackpots. The person apparently does not have a clue about science, even obvious basics about self-organization and evolution.

For those who had patience to read the question - forget it. Better read leading scientists who increased enormously our knowledge about the world. Do not waist time on crackpots.

Answer 6

I just don't see any proof here, just pseudo-science, and yadda yadda waffle about not much at all.

ID is rejected by the scientific community , it is purely speculation and does not in any way conform to the rigorous unbiassed methods of investigation and testing that science uses.

Answer 7

For all the trouble you've gone through plagiarizing someone else you've somehow managed to avoid asking a question.

Nice work.

I'm not going to report this, but let's see how long this "question" lasts.

Answer 8

In as much as I was not around to see how everything came into being (and neither were you),I say, "I don't know ..... YET!" To assume that some god, my less than intellectual ancestors made up, instantaneously farted the universe into being, is absurd

Answer 9

you are good at word assembly, that is proved. Beyond that; nothing.

And even if it was, then surely stopping a few Islamist or Israeli missiles would be a trivial thing for this deity of yours, no?

Answer 10

Blah-d, blah-d, blah.....

If you can't summarize it in a paragraph here then your "proof" really isn't effective. I see pseudo-science and twisted logic all through your rambling statement.