I guess I'm going to heaven, then. If it is true, it's a pretty sweet deal. Become a christian, give it up and live life however you want and still get into heaven.
2006-07-22 16:21:21
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answer #1
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answered by i luv teh fishes 7
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I'm in the same position as you.
When I was younger and less sure of myself, I fell in with a group of Christian fundamentalists who believed in "being saved" and I fell for it because I wanted to be accepted by them.
They were quite contradictory about their belief because on the one hand they said it was a personal thing, a personal relationship with Jesus and it happened differently and in a unique time frame for each person, but on the other hand, they were very critical of people who hadn't "been saved" or couldn't honestly say that they had felt that personal connection or sensation or experience of being saved.
In some cases I think that people who are SO desperate to be accepted that they will say anything or even make themselves feel something so that they can honestly say that they have been "saved". Atleast, I think that's how it was for me.
I have since done much studying and exploring both within myself and of other religions, theories and beliefs and have come to other conclusions, which change and expand a little bit with each passing day. And I don't want that experience to end. I always want to learn more.
I believe in God and believe that we are all saved, regardless. God is the pure energy source of unconditional love for us ALL.
2006-07-22 16:33:03
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answer #2
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answered by LindaLou 7
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I heard this phrase all the time at my Baptist church when I was growing up. I don't believe it, though.
I DO believe, however, that grace is completely unmerited - that is, our salvation is not based at all upon our own good deeds, but only upon the sacrifice of Christ. The "once saved, always saved" argument takes this a step further: since our works had nothing to do with meriting grace in the first place, there is nothing we could do that would cause us to no longer merit it and thus "fall" from it.
I don't accept that argument. I think that this argument completely ignores the teaching of James, who reminds us that "faith without works is dead" - that good works are evidence of God's grace within us. If we do not demonstrate God's grace within us by doing good works - if the evidence is not present - then we should tremble in fear that our salvation is in doubt.
2006-07-22 19:24:54
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answered by jimbob 6
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I think you know the answer in your heart.
God doesn't say "Serve me for a certain length of time
and then go do your own thing and I will still accept you in the end"
It's not he who runs the race but the one who perseveres to the end.
To me, it's like playing russian roulette... with God's Word. These people that think "I'll come back to the Lord some day"
How do you know if you don't die in a car wreck tomorrow?
To be saved is to be sealed.
And to be sealed is to be locked in with God.
Anybody can say they believe. It's not enough.
What a sad day for those who honestly think that God
will overlook their iniquity.
Iniquity means to do something wrong even though you know it's wrong and keep on doing it.
You know the Truth already if you were once "saved"
So, there is no excuse.
As a matter of fact, it will be worse for those people who KNEW the Truth and chose to turn their backs on It.
Wake up! The hour is late.
I say these things in love...
2006-07-22 17:48:33
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answered by Joja 2
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Only Fundamentalist Christians preach that. Catholics and other Christian Orthodox don't. Study the first 300 years of Christianity and you will NEVER find that in any teachings of the early christians(especially the Early Church Fathers). Fundamentalists' excuse for those who left fundamentalism is --"you were never really saved in the first place". That doesn't sound right to a sound mind. They preach assurance--once saved, always saved--but one can never really know until he dies without abondoning fundamentalism or actually leaving it because anything CAN happen in the future! There was this fundamentalist pastor was sentenced to years in prison for rape. He was a minister, he was in fact a very good guy until he fell, for 20 years and people of course were so assured he was, like them, already saved. So everybody, including the pastor, were all wrong all those years! So there really is no such assurance because no one really knows what'll happen in the future.
2006-07-22 16:59:42
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answered by Romeo 3
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There are many references in the Word of God that teach, once you have accepted Jesus as your personal Savior and Lord, He will no wise cast you out - and that His love for you is eternal and nothing you can do can separate that love from Him. Because we are humans and are subjected to many deceptions, that Love carries us through those times of our unbelief and investigation of other 'truths'. The part that is hard to see for many of us is that how can we turn our backs on God. Jesus, the church and He still loves us? That's because we deal in love that is nothing like the Love God has for us. His love is unconditional. We didn't deserve it. Didn't have to do anything to get it (otherwise people would be working hard for salvation), but rather it's a gift. A gift is free. It is never taken back if it is truly given. Being "decent", good, kind, none of those things have made you free. Only the blood of Jesus. And whether you commit a crime or not - you are still saved. Understand that in our bodies, we do commit wrongs and because of the law of nature and of the spirit - consequences will result. (when you defile the body - you are subjected to sickness, disease, etc.) there is always a price to be paid. We can't get around that part, but just accept it - you are saved friend. When you say you are 'no longer Christian" you are saying that you no longer practice being like Christ. He went about doing good: healing the sick, teaching, preaching and sharing love, having compassion on the poor and widows, the elderly, the homeless, the children, those who needed his love. Can you really say that in your life you have given up this practice? I don't think so - and I don't even know you, but I believe that when you accepted Him, he put himself (spirit) in you and you can't do anything to get that out of you. It may lie dormant and not respond as it should, but He's there.
2006-07-22 16:29:34
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answered by THE SINGER 7
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Here's an example for you of how not true that statement is: Judas Iscariot. He was one of the Twelve; he walked and talked with Jesus for three years, continually learning about the mysteries of God and being purified along with the other Apostles. He went out, as did the other Apostles, and healed the sick and the lame, cleansed lepers, cast out demons and raised the dead - and yet in the end he became "a devil" and betrayed the Lord Jesus.
Still believe that "once saved always saved?" If you do, I have a bridge I can sell you in Brooklyn.
2006-07-22 16:25:00
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answered by LDRship 2
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People in the church often decide who is saved and who is not saved. You could be 100% right with God, but if somebody in the church is suspicious and starts to spread rumours, then once a character is challenged, people in the church will as much as "mark" you as being not "in the faith".
So it really boils down to how much people-pleasing you are prepared to do. If you please everybody and agree with everything they tell you, then chances are that you will be considered to be "saved". But once you start to think for yourself and develop opinions that might be different from the other church members, then you can likely kiss "goodbye" to the church's welcome mat. I've seen it happen many times. And if you're feeling unwelcome at your church, then the chances are that you won't stay and then your faith might waver ... giving the critics the chance to say that they were right. The love of God: what a concept. Too bad it is often controlled by people's moods and attitudes.
2006-07-22 16:26:39
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answered by SB 7
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That's some disturbing way of thinking.
As long as you are happy without harming yourself or others, that's all that matters. Seek happiness. That's the only way of enjoying life and "save" yourself.
I'm pretty sure that if there's a God, he will care more about what you do and how you act in life rather than what religion you follow.
Beliefs and ideas are nothing without actions to back them. To consider yourself superior to others just because you follow a certain religion is bigoted and arrogant.
2006-07-22 16:22:08
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answered by Firefox 4
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No,
you are taking the scripture all wrong. you are only truly saved if you completely give yourself to Christ, confess with your mouth, believe in your heart.
If you do not believe now then you are not nor were you ever saved. Christians may back peddle, fall way for a short time but they never renounce Christ. NEVER. You are being condescending and mocking GOD.
I hope you repent and come back to GOD but do not think that your mockery goes unnoticed.
2006-07-22 16:31:08
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answered by melissa s 4
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What you are saying is true but i think that the important thing for you to consider is why are you so sure that God is unhappy with you just the way that you are.
Something else that you have probably heard is that God is unconditionally loving. Unconditional means no conditions. You need do nothing to be acceptable to God. Anything else you may have been told about God is not true.
God is only love their is simply nothing else there.
Love and blessings
don
2006-07-22 16:26:05
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answered by Anonymous
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