God is (by definition) a being than which no greater being can be thought.
Greatness includes greatness of virtue.
Therefore, God is a being than which no being could be more virtuous. But virtue involves overcoming pains and dangers.
Indeed, a being can only be properly said to be virtuous if it can suffer pain or be destroyed.
A God that can suffer pain or is destructible is not one than which no greater being can be thought. For you can think of a greater being, that is, one that is nonsuffering and indestructible.
Therefore, God does not exist.
2006-07-21 14:00:36 · 35 answers · asked by You really_believe_that_shit? 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
god really doesnt see possible. in any way, shape or form. people just want to believe in something like that. a higher power...
god is nothing but a folk tale that people based their lives on. in a couple hundred years, people will realize that he is as real as the greek gods were...
2006-07-21 15:34:27 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 3⤋
Yes, God can and does exist.
No offense meant... but what you have done is to create a strawman god (you have created a definition of God) and then had fun burning the straw-god :)
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The Christian God does not need to subscribe to your definition :)
And so there is no contradiction in the existence of the Christian God...
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Please be aware that there is scientific and intellectual evidence for the existence of God (e.g., see http://www.godsci.org/gs/godsci/evidence.htm)
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By the way I like the way you develop your De-Ontological Argument :)
One of your axioms (or steps) is that "a being can only be properly said to be virtuous if it can suffer pain or be destroyed".
This axiom is flawed.
A being can be properly said to be virtuous if it can suffer pain. It is not necessary for the being to destructible for it to be virtuous.
The Christian God can choose to suffer pain. In fact, He did, in the form of Jesus Christ on the Cross. This is indeed the highest form of self-sacrificial virtue.
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The Christian God is more omnipotent than your definition above.
He can choose (as a Spirit) to not suffer pain. Or he can choose (by taking a physical body) to be able to suffer pain.
And this is what he did in the form of Jesus Christ.
So the problem is in the form of the De-Ontological Argument above. The axioms are flawed.
Cordially,
John
2006-07-21 14:03:09 · answer #2 · answered by John 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
That's circular logic and full of fallicies. The alleged fact that a being must be destructible to be virtuous is without foundation, and thus short-circuits that entire argument. The definition of virtue as implied by the definition of God is purity of character, etc. And what mortal has the audacity to say that they completely understand the workings of God, assuming there is such a being? (which I firmly believe there is)
2006-07-21 14:10:04 · answer #3 · answered by Sid-Marie 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Sounds like "Greatness includes greatness of virtue" contains something that leads to the conclusion. Where do you get this?
A person can prove that 2=1 if they use a certain method. But we all know that 2=2. Maybe you are dividing by zero and forgetting that you have done so.
2006-07-21 14:05:46 · answer #4 · answered by astronwritingthinkingprayingrnns 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
See I'm a freak cuz I never in my life have defined God as a being of any sort. God to me is whatever force or power started the big bang. What caused that to happen?...things don't just happen. Science tells us...in the beginning there was nothing...chaos...then bang. The bible tells us about the same thing. Well, God to me is whatever spark that started all of this life and universe we know. Yes, so to me...God exists.
2006-07-21 14:07:37 · answer #5 · answered by Flyleaf 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
This is pseudo-logic, based upon various contrivances that are taken as true. It's the opposite side of the same coin when believers attempt to use a contrived set of elements in a logical structure to prove God; both are silly and sophomoric.
2006-07-21 14:07:57 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
If the word GOD came from the mouth of sinners. Could it be the truth? If the bible was written by man. And the bible says we are all born sinners. Could it be the truth? With so many different names from different parts of the world but one thing in common. the belief of something that is not there. but they believe anyways. Faith in God, which to most people God exist.
2006-07-21 14:19:15 · answer #7 · answered by 2006flu 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
So you've vicariously linked "God is a being that which no greater being can be thought" to "God is a being that which must have suffered pain or be destroyed." Sorry, the logic is weak, at best.
But, if it makes you feel better, Jesus flet pain, and he is god. there. a simple answer for a simple mind....
2006-07-21 14:06:09 · answer #8 · answered by Chris K 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God isn't said to be virtuous as much as God is said to be divine. Jesus Christ's divinity is an important Christian belief. In other words, Jesus Christ is definitely part of God who is Divine Love and Divine Wisdom in a marriage.
2006-07-21 14:06:18 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
You answered your own question. Too bad you didn't bother to include the human element in all of your reasoning; faith, hope, love, and all of those factor in to the meaning behind all religions and therefore, due to those factors, yes, God exists just because we believe he does. Faith, blind faith is what makes God so powerful and always will be. He exists, I can feel him. Good luck!!
2006-07-21 14:10:21 · answer #10 · answered by roritr2005 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Oh look another embarrasing attempt to disprove through dubious logic.
God is above and apart from all creation, He exists above and beyond all that is. Time from begining to end is seen by him. God does exist whether anyone believes or understands him or not.
2006-07-21 14:05:57 · answer #11 · answered by Archer Christifori 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋