To American Atheists and Christians, Was there notable change after christian prayers were taken out schools?

Question

Hi! "USA" ans

Truly, was there a remarkable change after prayers were cancelled at schools in America?

Is it true that crime has increased in schools since morning prayers were cancelled out of schools in America?

Is true also that occultic practices like Satanism has increased in most American schools since morning prayer was cancelled at scools?

Is it true that most pupils do not have good manners at schools since prayers were taken out of schools?

When you answer please mention your stand "Christian" or "Atheist" or "Agnostic".

Please just give your honest opinion or realisation.
Please don't be rude or sacarstic.

Thanks!Hug!

To spike is my evil empire:

Well, if I were a Buddist, I would at leats try to find if the God of Christians is true and assume that everyone who labels himself "Christian" is truly Christian.

As much as there are fake Nike sneakers, there are fake Christian groups who call themselves Christian...

If you were really born-again, and filled with the Holy Spirit some years ago, you would still know that the God of the Christian is true...It is not just a figure Christians made for themselves.

Come back to Christ my sister,(If you were ever born-again) we miss you and we love you....

To spike is my evil empire:

Well, if I were a Buddist, I would at leats try to find if the God of Christians is true and NOT assume that everyone who labels himself "Christian" is truly Christian.

As much as there are fake Nike sneakers, there are fake Christian groups who call themselves Christian...

If you were really born-again, and filled with the Holy Spirit some years ago, you would still know that the God of the Christian is true...He is not just a figure that Christians made up for themselves.

Come back to Christ my sister,(If you were ever born-again) we miss you and we love you....

Answer 1

Isn't that an onviosue answer? All you have to do is look at the date! Prayer was taken out of shcool in the 1960's here's a timeline of the shootings in school. not one before prayer was reomoved!!!
Feb. 2, 1996
Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

Feb. 19, 1997
Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

Oct. 1, 1997
Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

Dec. 1, 1997
West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.

Dec. 15, 1997
Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.

March 24, 1998
Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.

April 24, 1998
Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.

May 19, 1998
Fayetteville, Tenn. One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.

May 21, 1998
Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.

June 15, 1998
Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.

April 20, 1999
Littleton, Colo. 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.

May 20, 1999
Conyers, Ga. Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.

Dec. 6, 1999
Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.
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Feb. 29, 2000
Mount Morris Township, Mich. Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.

March 10, 2000
Savannah, Ga. Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.

May 26, 2000
Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.

Sept. 26, 2000
New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.

Jan. 17, 2001
Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.
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March 5, 2001
Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.

March 7, 2001
Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.

March 22, 2001
Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.

March 30, 2001
Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.

Nov. 12, 2001
Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.

Jan. 15, 2002
New York, N.Y. A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.

April 26, 2002
Erfurt, Germany 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman killed, ten wounded by Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, at the Johann Gutenberg secondary school. Steinhaeuser then killed himself.

April 14, 2003
New Orleans, La. One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.

April 24, 2003
Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.

Sept. 24, 2003
Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.

March 21, 2005
Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.

Nov. 8, 2005
Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.

I'd say that speaks for itself!!!

And as far as the satanist paracticing in school---and to the person who doesn't see a problem with it--you obviosuly don't know much about satanic practices. As a former satanist, many years ago, I can tell you first hand that is NOT what you want in schools. To the person who said "i see nothing wrong with such cult practices in school" ?????!!!!! i'm sorry, but from experience, ARE YOU FREAKIN INSANE???? If you had any idea at all what happens at a satanic cult meeting you would not be saying that! You just really showed your stupidity in that statement!!! Try being a little educated before you make such ludicriouse statements!!! Further, to prefer satanism over christianity, hmmmmmmm lets see, a religion that teaches peace and love, to one that teaches hate, murder, and dismemberment, hmmmm let me think. Ignorance is part of the problem with poeple thinking the way you do....try reading a book once and a while to help with the ingnorance issue!!!

Answer 2

Your attempt to draw a causal link between lack of school prayer and everything bad in the world reminds me of the Flying Spaghetti Monster parody about pirates.

You see, there are fewer priates today than there were centuries ago, and in that time, global warming has increased. Therefore, it's the lack of pirates that caused this. If we can increase the number of pirates, global warming will reverse.

Catching on yet?

In other words, you can't draw any kind of inference at all regarding prayer. Heck, men don't wear formal hats as much as they did back then. Maybe it's not prayer. Maybe men need to wear more formal hats.

Oh, and I'm not listing where I "stand" because it seems to me that you're likely to use that as a filter so that you can only listen to those who agree with you. Try having an open mind and listening to the arguments instead of discounting things out of hand because you don't like the source.

Answer 3

Kind of sounds like you've already formed the answer to your own question.

I think our society has problems and our schooling system is f-ed up (I'm a teacher) but none of them have anything to do with prayer in school. What is actually wrong is way too vast of a topic to cover here.

Prayer in school is a red herring. All sorts of people will point to all kinds of anecdotal evidence that validate their already-formed opinion. But the fact of the matter is, good or bad, prayer (sectarian or non-) in public schools is prohibited by the first ammendment to our Constitution. Personally, I think that Zen Meditation would do a lot of adolescents a lot of good, but I'm not going to claim that because it isn't there, that's the caues of all of our problems. Nor would I ever suggest it be required during school hours because again: unconstitutional.

I'm an atheist.

Answer 4

Yes, there was a big change. I no longer had to feel like an outcast amongst the holly roller kids around me. I could actually focus on the job at hand-Getting Educated!

As for Satanism.? Hogwash. No teacher ever considered sponsoring the "Youth for Satan" club, but our school had 2 "Youth for Christ" type clubs. It was a real big deal. Thing is I rarely knew if some of the other students were Jewish. They were always afraid of the Christians so they kept their mouths shut and Stars of David hidden.

Personally, I'm a Pantheist and at peace with my origins now, but it took me a long time to get here after all that Christian programming I had to endure.

Answer 5

I don't remember prayer being in school. I guess it was before my time. Kids at the local school gather around the flagpole for prayer here in my town.
When I was in school back in the late 80's there was a boy that would bring his bible to school. And read it when he was done with his class work.
Jesus is alive in our youth today. I know it. Let's encourage these young kids. And they do still have rights as American citizens and need to be made aware of those rights.
I think the more society pulls away from Jesus the more corrupt it becomes.

Answer 6

I'm not being sarcastic but I don't recall the last time "Satanism" was practiced in local schools! Sure, perhaps a few kids play around with it but I hardly hear that it's rampant... lol!!!

Prayer should not be in school because not everyone is a Christian (or Muslim, Jew, etc.) for that matter. We are not all Christians in the United States so to have prayer in a class where there are some children present who don't believe in that religion is stressful for them.

I assume you're a Christian? If not, I apologize. But say you're a Christian child and your school (and country) is predominantly Buddhist (just for example.. no offense to Buddhists!), wouldn't you feel out of place or strange to have others praying to a religion or God you didn't believe in? Of course you would.

I have no objection to silent or respectably quiet personal prayer if you wish. But to do it in class or over the announcement is just not fair to those who are not of that particular religion.

I'm Agnostic (formerly Christian for 18 years)

EDITED TO ADDRESS QUESTIONER'S COMMENTS:

I think you misunderstood, I asked if you were a CHRISTIAN child (not a Buddhist) and you went to school in a predominantly Buddhist area and they had public Buddhist prayer every day in your school, would you not feel left out or uncomfortable? Of course you would! Just like Muslim, Jewish, or children of faiths other than Christianity would feel uncomfortable if Christian prayer was said every morning in class. That is WHY religion needs to be left out of schools because not everyone is of the same religion and some choose to be no religion at all.

(Again, apologies to any Buddhists! I have utmost respect for your religion, I studied it in college!)

Answer 7

Im lucky to not have gone to school when there was much praying. But, I dont see the problem in "occult practices" like satanism being practiced, christianity seems like more of an occult than any religion in my opinion.

I'm already uncomfortable when people talk about god or praying in everyday life (but im not going to stop them or say anything because it is definetly their right and opinion to do so), but in SCHOOL?!? This is federally funded, a public learning environment. Prayer does not belong there. Like my favorite bumper sitcker says, "dont pray in my school, I wont think in your church".

Peoples religion (or lack of) does not affect their morality, or tendancy to commit crimes. Just because a person is an atheist doesnt mean that they are immoral heathens who run around committing crimes and not caring just because they dont have a god to feel guilty over.

Atheist.

Answer 8

YES and the devil smiled as prayer was abolished from schools. Then fire fell from the skys. The great Rivers ran red with blood and the world went black. The dead shall arise from thier graves to consume the living. Satan shall once again walk the earth. The world will end because of no prayer in school.

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Answer 9

I don't worry about it.

Sometimes when a new church comes in - AKA the New Jerusalem where God is truly one divine person - the old church has to die. "Let the dead bury their dead" is what is going on. I don't fight for prayer in school because the government would probably foul up and declare three Gods. That is what most "orthodox" Christians teach. I am a oneness Christian myself.

Answer 10

I think so. Something that is very notorious is that USA has become the only country where students go to school with shot guns and kill everybody they can before committing suicide.
I think that also it has contributed to the loss of moral values.
There are no more absolute values. You can believe what you want. It is no more right or wrong. Everything is now relative.
You want to worship Charles Manson, that's OK.
You want to be nazi, comunist, that's OK.
You want to create a group with crazy ideas, that's OK

Answer 11

Honestly, I have no idea. But I would suggest a followup question to this. Why don't you ask people in the UK how much trouble they have in their schools, since they haven't had prayer in schools a lot longer than us.

And you might want to ask the muslims how much trouble they have in their schools, also, seeing as how they're praying to a false god, who can't possibly be as good as our Christian one.

But you probably won't do that, will you?