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do christians also believe that jesus talked when he was just a newborn baby??

2006-07-20 13:20:35 · 13 answers · asked by icehot_pk 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Yes He did.

Please refer The Holy Quran verse (156- 157 to 158.)
Surat An-Nisaa






.....Then they went so far in their unbelief that they uttered a monstrous
calumny against Mary:*190 they themselves bragged, “We have slain Jesus,
son of Mary, a Messenger of Allah. *191 Whereas*192 in fact they did not
slay him nor did they crucify him but the matter was made dubious for
them*193
And those who have differed about this matter are also in doubt concerning
it. They have no knowledge of it but follow mere conjectures,*194 for they
were not sure that they had succeeded in killing Jesus. Nay, the fact is
that Allah had raised him to Himself,*195 for Allah is All-Powerful,
All-Wise.

*190
It means:-

The calumny against Mary concerning the birth of Jesus Christ has been
declared here as “disbelief” because it was not directed against the
person of innocent Mary or her son but against Jesus Christ, the Messenger
of God. The Jews had absolutely no ground for suspicious about his
miraculous birth without father, because God had caused the whole
Community to stand as witness to the miracle. WHEN VARGIN MARY, who
belonged to the noble and well-known religious family of the Israelites,
came home with the new-born child, a large crowd gathered there and
demanded an explanation from her. But she simply pointed to the child. The
crowd could not understand how a child in the cradle could speak but to
their utter astonishment, the child began to speak clearly and fluently
and addressing the crowd, he declared,
“I am Allah’s servant; Allah has
given me the Book and made me a Prophet.” (XIX: 30) Thus Allah cut at the
very root of the slander about his birth.

That is why none ever accused
Mary of fornication or taunted Jesus with being an illegitimate son until
he declared himself to be Prophet of Allah.
As he started his mission to
invite people to the way of God and rebuke the Jews for their evil deeds
and expose the hypocrisies of their scholars and jurists and warn the
whole community of the consequences of moral degradation, they turned
against him.
Instead of reforming their evil ways, these impudent and
unscrupulous criminals resorted to all sorts of dirty tricks and devilish
designs to suppress the voice of Truth.
It was then that they made that
monstrous calumny which they had never uttered before during the previous
thirty year of his life, because they know it for certain that Mary and
her son were absolutely free from this taint.

*191
The fact that they bragged of slaying Jesus, knowing him to be a Messenger
of God, shows how audacious they had become in their crimes.
We have shown
in the previous Note that the miracle of his speech in the cradle had let
no doubt whatsoever in the minds of the Jews about his prophet hood.
Then
they had witnessed clear signs shown by Him (III: 49) which were a
conclusive proof that he was really a Prophet of God. Therefore their
cruel behaviour towards him was not the result of any misunderstanding
about his prophet hood, but was an intentional crime against the one who
had been appointed by Allah as Messenger.

Though it appears very strange that any community should slay a person
whom they know to be and acknowledge a Prophet of Allah, yet it is so, for
THE ways of wicked communities are strange. They cannot and do not
tolerate that person who criticise their evil ways and prohibits unlawful
things. Such people, even thought they be the Prophets of Allah, have
always been persecuted, imprisoned and slain by their own wicked people.

As a proof thereof, the following is quoted from the Talmud:
“When the
city had been captured, Nebuchadnezzar marched with the princes and
officers of the Temple……On one of the walls he found the mark of an
arrow’s head as though somebody had been killed or hit nearby, and he
asked “Who was killed here?”

“Zachariah, the son of Yehoyaday, the high priest.”
Answered the people.
“He rebuked us incessantly on account of our transgressions
and we were tired of his words and put him to death.”

We learn also from the Bible that, when Prophet Jeremiah rebuked the Jews
on account of their transgressions, they sent him to the prison. Likewise
John the Baptist was beheaded because he criticized them for their evil
ways (Please see also E.N. 79, Al Baqarah).

It is therefore, obvious from their record that when they presumed that
they had crucified Jesus Christ, they would have most surely bragged,
“We have slain a Messenger of Allah.”

*192
This is another parenthesis.

*193

This verse is quite explicit on the point that Prophet Jesus Christ was
rescued from crucifixion and that the Christians and the Jews are both
wrong in believing that he expired on the cross.
A comparative study of
the Quran and the Bible shows that most probably it was Jesus himself who
stood his trial in the court of Pilate, but they could not kill or crucify
him, for Allah raised him to Himself.
This is what happened.
Pilate knew quite well that Christ was innocent and
had been brought in his court out of jealousy. So he asked the crowd
whether Jesus Christ should be released on the occasion of the Festival or
Barabbas, a notorious robber.
But the high priest and elders persuaded the
crowd to ask for the release of Barabbas and for the crucifixion of Jesus.

After this, God, Who can do any and everything He wills, raised Jesus to
Himself and rescued him from crucifixion and the one who was crucified
afterwards was somehow or other taken for Christ.
Nevertheless, his
miraculous escape does not lessen the wicked crime of the Jews, because
they knew it well that the one, whom they crowned with a crown of thorns,
and on whose face they spat and whom they crucified with disgrace was
Christ, the son of Mary.

As regards how “it was made doubtful for them”

that they had crucified Jesus, we have no means of ascertaining this
matter. Therefore it is not right to base on mere guess-work and rumours
an answer to the question how the Jews were made to believe that they had
crucified him. Whereas in fact, Jesus the son of Mary had escaped from
them.

*194
“Those who have differed” are the Christians.
They do not agree in their
versions of the crucifixion.
The very fact that they offer so many
different accounts of the matter is in itself a clear proof that they
possess no definite knowledge of it and are, therefore, in doubt about it.

One version is that the person who was crucified was not Jesus but someone
who bore his likeness, when, in fact, at that very time when the Jews and
the Roman soldiers had disgracefully hanged him on the cross, Jesus was
standing nearby and laughing at their folly.
According to another version,
the one who was nailed to the cross was Jesus, but he did not die on the
cross and was alive when he was taken down from it.
Some others believe
that he died on the cross but came to life afterward and met this
disciples several times and talked to them.
Others say that the Divine
Spirit within him was taken away from it.
There are still others who say
that after his death Jesus came to life with his human body and was raised
up with his human body.
Thus it is obvious that the Christians have no
real knowledge of this matter but base their various versions on mere
conjectures.

*195…Here Allah has told the fact of the matter.
The Quran explicitly says
that the Jews did not succeed in putting Jesus to death and THAT Allah
raised him to Himself, but it is silent about the nature and the details
of the matter and does neither say explicitly whether Allah raised him
bodily from the earth to some place in the heaven, nor does it say that he
died like other mortals and only his soul was raised to heaven.
It has
been couched in such a language that nothing can be said definitely about
the incident except that it was un-common and extraordinary.
The following
considerations lead to the conclusion that the incident was extraordinary;
First, the Quran uses the words (رفهه الله الـيه
( and (رافـعـكـى الى (
“Allah raised him to Himself”
and “ I will raise you up to Myself”
(III:55) for the incident and these words are liable to give support to
the “Doctrine of Ascension”, one of the Christian beliefs which has misled
them to attribute Divine qualities to Christ.
Had it not factually been an
extraordinary incident, the Quran would never have used such ambiguous
words as helped support a doctrine of Godhead of Christ which the Quran
refute so strongly.

Second, had Allah meant by the words used in the Text (v. 158) that:-
(a)”Allah caused his death” or that
(b) “Allah raised him in rank,”
More explicit words would have been used. In the case of
(a), words to this effect would have been used:
“No doubt they did not
slay him nor did they crucify him but Allah rescued him alive from them
and afterwards he died his natural death.”
And in the case of
(b), “They intended to dishonour him by crucifixion but God raised him
very high in rank”, as in the case of Prophet Idris:
‘And We had raised
him to a high position.” (XIX: 57)

Third, if the incident that has been related here meant merely the natural
death of Christ, the use of words,
“And Allah is All-Powerful and
All-Wise”
in connection with it, would have been quite meaningless. These
words can appropriately be used only in connection with some extraordinary
manifestations of the power and wisdom of Allah.
The only thing that can
be cited in support of this interpretation of v. 158 that Jesus died a
natural death is the use of the word ( (مـتـوفـيـكىin v.55, Al-Imran,
in
connection with this incident but it has been made clear in E.N. 51 of Al
Imran that the word ( تـوفى ) does not literally mean “to seize the soul”
but merely “to take and to receive”
the body or the soul or both together.
As there is a scope for both the interpretations in this word,
its use
cannot refute the above mentioned arguments against the meaning,
“Allah
cause his death.”

Those who insist on this interpretation argue that there
is no other instance, in which مـتـوـفى (mutawaffi) has been used for the
seizure of both body and soul together.
This is meaningless, because this
is the only incident of its kind in the whole of human history. The only
thing to be considered is whether this word may lexically be used in this
sense or not.
If there is a scope in the lexical meaning of the word for
such a use, as there is, we have to face the question:
Why does the Quran
not use a direct word for death, instead of such a word as this which is
liable to support the Doctrine of Ascension, which in its turn, has given
rise to the Doctrine of the Divinity of Jesus?
The use of this word is a
clear proof the fact that there was something extraordinary about the
incident.
Above all , the Doctrine of Ascension is further strengthened by
the Traditions according to which Prophet Christ, son of Mary, will come
again to the Earth and fight with Dajjal. (These Traditions have been
affixed as Appendix to the commentary on Surah Al-Ahzab). These clearly
and categorically prove the Second Coming of Christ to the Earth.

Therefore it would be more rational to believe that he must be living
somewhere in the universe before this Second Coming than that he might be
lying dead somewhere.

2006-07-20 16:22:05 · answer #1 · answered by abjad 4 · 0 1

NO!

Jesus was the brainchild of the two Roman Governors, Pilate and Herod, after they both consulted with the Messiah.

All three crosses bore the Inscription, "Jesus King of the Jews", according to the Four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, which may all have been arranged by Luke and his Governor, Theophilus, after and about the crucifixion hoax that set the Messiah free and crucified two thieves from among the Israeli people who called for the crucifixion of the Messiah under the false charges that he made himself the son of God (meaning Zeus,of course) and that he said he was a King.

Pagan Rome afterwards attempted to bring the Islam of the Children of Israel, called Jews in the Gospels, into their worship of the Sun God Zeus, which actually made up the name Jesus from the combination of Jah (the God of Israel) and Zeus the Sun God.

How clever the name Jesus for a Roman God?

Jesus, both thieves therefore, were born Gods at Golgotha, or where some call Calvary, and were only seen to be in the crucifixion procession when they arrived at the Place of the Skull, for the clever Pontius held the secret from the Biblical Jews and from the rest of the crowd, by having them with his and Herod's soldiers, since the Messiah was not easily identifiable, what with all the flowing robes like the Arabs wear?

The baby Messiah, if you wish to know, was named Immanuel by his mother, according to the commands of the one God of Israel.

In the Quran, the baby was named Isa al Masih ibn Mariam, or Isa the Christ or Messiah, son of Mariam, and in the Quran he speaks as an infant after his mother sent her relatives to have him speak to them since they wished to know why she was with child, unmarried, and from a righteous family.

The Bible speaks of him discussing with Lawyers at around the age of twelve.

Christians see the Christ as a symbol of the Cross of the two thieves in an accursed death, according to the Bible (Deuteronomy 21:23) and do not really have a clue about the real Messiah.

On the other hand, Muslims have become just as ignorant and cover the name of Isa with the false Jesus and even accept that he was not crucified but was "taken through the roof" and another man made to look like him was crucified instead, thereby missing the whole point about the Messiah in the Quran.

The Sunni and Shia and others even look forward to this "body" that was taken up into Heaven, returning to Earth with two angels, from the sky above Damascus or somewhere in the Middle East, to unite Christians and Muslims in a bizarre form of the Islam of a badly translated and misundertsood version of the Quran.

Have no fear, if another prophet of Allah returned to Earth, the Christians and the Jews and the Muslims will surely stone him to death.

AMEN!

2006-07-20 13:54:39 · answer #2 · answered by mythkiller-zuba 6 · 0 0

There is a book on the beginnings of Christ... it didnt make the Bible obviously but they have stated that jesus did miracles at an earlier age.... he made sparrows out of clay and he also helped his father make two boards exactly even after one had been cut too short--- among other things (he brought back a kid from death).

If you are interested look into those gospels that didnt quite make the book.

2006-07-20 13:24:37 · answer #3 · answered by ChuckNorris 3 · 0 0

There was no mention of this in the Bible, so it was considered that He grew up like any regular baby did, and didn't talk till the proper time.

2006-07-20 13:27:09 · answer #4 · answered by WC 7 · 0 0

There are no references to Jesus doing anything miraculous until he was 30

2006-07-20 13:24:16 · answer #5 · answered by Answer_dude 3 · 0 0

sure that occurred purely in a single incident whilst virgin Mary became terrified from her human beings she became stimulated from God to easily component her finger at Jesus and that became the only time he talked and defended her...genuinely no point out interior the Quran that he became speaking to human beings after that at the same time as he became toddler. The Verses 27 Then she delivered him (the toddler) to her human beings, donning him. They pronounced: "O Mary! certainly you have delivered a component Fariya (an unheard potent component). 28 "O sister (i.e. the like) of Haroon (Aaron) (no longer the brother of Moosa (Moses), yet he became yet another pious guy on the time of Maryam (Mary))! Your father became no longer a guy who used to commit adultery, nor your mom became an unchaste woman." 29 Then she pointed to him. They pronounced: "How will we refer to a minimum of one that could be a baby interior the cradle?" 30 "He (Iesa (Jesus)) pronounced: Verily! i'm a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" 31 "And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Salat (prayer), and Zakat, as long as I stay." 32 "And dutiful to my mom, and made me no longer conceited, unblest. 33 "And Salam (peace) be upon me the day i became born, and the day I die, and the day I would be raised alive!" 34 Such is Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it extremely is) a assertion of reality, approximately which they doubt (or dispute).

2016-12-14 10:55:35 · answer #6 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Aw..I dont think he started talkn when he was a newborn...that is just insane...The bible was man made....Using common sense if there is any ....It just isnt going to happen

2006-07-20 13:25:24 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Jesus talk when he was old enough to talk. but not when he was an infant. did you talk when you where an infant???

2006-07-20 13:24:57 · answer #8 · answered by lover of Jehovah and Jesus 7 · 0 0

The Bible does not specifically say, but He was human after all, so I think not.

2006-07-20 13:25:04 · answer #9 · answered by I-o-d-tiger 6 · 0 0

I'm a Christian, and I have never heard of that before now. So, no.

2006-07-20 13:23:10 · answer #10 · answered by BlueAngel 5 · 0 0

Its not mentioned in the bible and it surely would be if it had happened

2006-07-20 13:31:52 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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