please help me-i'm Jewish =should i believe Isaiah 9:6 that the son of God is Jesus?

Question

Isaiah 9 verse 6 "behold a child is born, a son is given, and he shall be the sar shalom (prince of peace), the almighty God, the wonderfull counselor."

well-what about that-it says what it says -and my Jewish people who r the fake ones-say Moses lied-when he said we have to have a blood atonement for our sins-"The life of the flesh is in the blood and i'v given it to make atonement for your souls." well if u lie about Isaiah why not lie about Isaiah too-pray for my Jewish born people to come to our
God and stop calling Moses and Isaiah wrong-thank you too

yes u cant be Jewish if u reject Moses and Isaiah and the Messiah-and those that follow demonic spirts =spirit guides lead people astray until they let the blood of Jesus bind the evil spiits who come to decieve and loose Jesus spirit to set em free. ohhh yes wonderfilled ;)

is it not Jewish to believe in a Jewish messiah-or else without a sacrifice for our sins-and no one to do it-God would be a liar to my Jewish people-if they dont believe Moses God Isaiah then they arnt Jewish-i am proud to be a Jew

Proverbs 30 vs 4 "Who created the heaven and the earth, what is his name and what is his son's name if thou knowest." i read this to a sabra israeli and his eyes went right up when he read it in his Hebrew Scripture book-Yes God has a Messiah and a son-dost thou knowest who

Answer 1

Yes!

Also Daniel 9:25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

AND

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Answer 2

only if you like being lied to...

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV). "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty G-d, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.'" Christians say this refers to Jesus and indicates that Jesus will be born a child who is, at the same time, G-d.

Mistranslation: The two letter word "is", is usually not stated in Hebrew. Rather,"is" is understood. For example, the words "hakelev" (the dog) and "gadol" (big), when joined into a sentence -- hakelev gadol -- means "the dog IS big," even though no Hebrew word in that sentence represents the word "is." A more accurate translation of the name of that child, then, would be "A wonderful counselor is the mighty G-d, the everlasting father ..." Like the name "Emanuel," this name describes G-d, not the person who carries the name.

Context: Biblical names often describe G-d, and no one thinks to apply the description to the people with these names. The name Isaiah itself means "G-d is salvation," and not that the prophet himself is G-d in a human body. Were we to use the same logic that Christians use on the names in Isaiah 7:14 and 9:6, we would say that "Tuviya" (G-d is good), "Yedaya" (G-d knows), and "Ya-el" (HaShem is G-d) also are all G-d.

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If anyone questions the truthfulness of my claims of mistranslations, they need only verify the Hebrew text itself. I implore the skeptical reader to do so.


Context:

1) Jesus was never called any of these names.

2) If this is about Jesus, doesn't that mean that Jesus is the Father?

3) Prince of Peace? Jesus himself would seem to object to such a title for himself:



Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (KJV)
Is someone who says he has not come to bring peace someone we can call "Prince of Peace?"

This passage is, in reality, about the wonders performed by the Lord for Hezekiah, king of Judah. "Hezekiah" means "Strong/mighty is G-d." This passage is Isaiah's praise of the Lord for his salvation in the affair of Sennacherib's siege of Jerusalem. We find an allusion to this in that the rare usage of the term "the zeal of Lord" is used elsewhere in reference to Hezekiah's victory.

The fact that the New Testament doesn't even quote this passage shows what a weak prooftext it is.

Answer 3

I'd suggest you look at more than just a single passage. Any important idea that G_d is trying to get through to us will be repeated again and again.

Then, go with what G_d is communicating to you.

"Only if you like being lied to..."

Harsh much! Lots of Biblical passages both foreshadow future events AND describe current events. Yes, the passage is about the wonders of the Lord in the days of Hezekiah, But it's ALSO a reference to the future event noted by the Gospel writer.

"A more accurate translation of the name
of that child, then, would be "A wonderful counselor is the
mighty G-d, the everlasting father..." Like the name "Emanuel,"
this name describes G-d, not the person who carries the name. "

[Actually, I like it this way too. Not everything has to be all miracles and wonders. How about a nice, quiet foreshadowing? True, the rabid, unthinking Christian goes over the top too often, but it's hard to be quiet when you have a personal relationship with the King of the Universe. ...Then there are the posers that are in it only for the power. No comment on them!]

"Context:
1) Jesus was never called any of these names.
[Not surprising. They killed Him for merely calling Himself God's Son.]
2) If this is about Jesus, doesn't that mean that Jesus is the
Father?
[Weeeelllll... Jesus DID claim that 'the Father and I are One', and 'If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father...]
3) Prince of Peace? Jesus himself would seem to object to such
a title for himself:
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am cometo send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword. (KJV) Is someone who
says he has not come to bring peace someone we can call
"Prince of Peace?"

[Matt 10:34 acknowledges that His teachings would cause great difficulty between people. It is a winnowing process. But He did deliberately ride a donkey into the gates of Jerusalem as a King come in peace. Moreover, the very day He rode in was the day prophesized by Daniel: Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:

(Indeed, from the order of *Darius* to rebuild Jerusalem until the day that Jesus rode in through the gates of Jerusalem, it was 49+62=111 years until He entered to the cheers of the whole city, who understood the implication of this date.)

...the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous
times.

(True. Herod the Great was a noted builder, and the time that Jesus lived there was indeed a troubled time, a time of Roman occupation.)

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself:

(Yes. Cut off is obviously 'killed', and not for Himself means He was guilty of no crime.)

...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

(Although this *might* refer to a Roman prince and the destruction of Jerusalem in 73AD, it could also refer to the end times destruction of the City. It was prophesized that Jesus would come first as a Prince of Peace, but return as a Prince of War.)]

Answer 4

Your beliefs should come from inside you, not from a book that was "written" by people who couldn't read or write. If you want to believe that the "creator of ALL THAT IS" stood idly by and allowed His son to be killed without lifting an Almighty Finger to stop it, knock yourself out. Why do you think that you are referred to as "the flock". You're sheep, just following the others, blindly and without being allowed to use the brain you have to decide for yourself. Don't feel bad, Jews aren't the only ones who say, "It's a matter of faith, no matter how dumb it sounds in reality." Ask yourself this question, "If what I am being taught is right, and God destroyed the earth before (flood) because he was disobeyed, why hasn't he come back since then?" Why is it that everything that you're "supposedly" given FREE CHOICE, but it comes with conditions? How free is that?
Since you asked the question, you've obviously got a brain.........use it!

Answer 5

Oh, do me a favor... You're not Jewer than the pope.

Jesus does not match the description of the messiah- therefore he is not the messiah; Not for Jews, anyway.
Isaiah 9:6 does not say anything about Jesus... This prophecy was not yet fulfilled and you can't really say that this description fits Jesus exclusively.

No. If your Jewish your religion has nothing to do with Jesus.
You can convert to Christianity, if you want.

Answer 6

Isaiah 9:6 is not referring to Jesus or the son of G-d. There is nothing in that verse to indicate that. Of course, part of the reason may be due to your using a faulty translation.

Jewish commentators understand it as referring to Hezekiah.

Answer 7

Of course you should believe. Why do you read the Bible then? is it only to believe what suits you and if it doesn't then to hell with it or what? When you read the Bible you should believe every word because it is the TRUTH. The Bible as some claim it to be is not a mere say, story or a contradicting book, it is the TRUE word of God.

Answer 8

You believe what you want....

Just because the organized faiths of this world teach something, doesn't mean it's right...

The catholics are supposed to shun away homosexuals, but society encourages them.

That and just because they say something, doesn't mean that the lesson is followed.

Many religions only allow one lover, but men and women cheat on each other all the time.

Follow your heart and believe what is right in your spirit.

Answer 9

This is one of the prophecies that spoke of Jesus long before He came. There are many Old Testament prophecies that were also fulfilled by Jesus' birth and life.

Answer 10

EVERYBODY,
there's no reason to take this guy seriously. He's a christian, I doubt he has any jewish roots. He's just trying to stir up controversy.
As I told him before, if he really wants answers he can check out jewsforJUDAISM.org, but I doubt that he will (I hope I'm wrong).