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I mean why isn't he in heaven? also the theif on the cross didin't even die on the same day Jesus did they rehung him on a cross after Sabbath was over that's why the soldiers broke their legs

2006-07-19 15:27:46 · 11 answers · asked by I-o-d-tiger 6 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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tiger,
How clever of you to notice this verse. For those who explore the scriptures with an open mind, and do not rely on the traditions of men, this doctrine is clear. The Bible clearly does not teach that we go to our reward when we die. If this were the case, there would be absolutely nobody present for the Resurrection. Wouldn't that be embarrassing? Jesus show up in the clouds of Glory, and everybody is gone.....duh. Why don't people get this? It seems so obvious. The problem, is that most religious people never read their bible, or read them superficially, or depend on their religious leaders for the "truth". Anyone who honestly studies everything the Bible says about the status of the dead, will find that they sleep until the judgment. The only exceptions I know of, are Moses, Elijah, Enoch, and Jesus.

2006-07-19 15:42:54 · answer #1 · answered by Will O' the Wisp 3 · 2 0

David is in heaven...you just totally didnt understand this....
please reread
Acts 2:31-35 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

31he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of [a]the Christ, that (A)HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.

32"This Jesus (B)God raised up again, to which we are all (C)witnesses.

33"Therefore having been exalted (D)to the right hand of God, and (E)having received from the Father (F)the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has (G)poured forth this which you both see and hear.

34"For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says:
'(H)THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
"SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
35UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET."'

short explaination
Again by a process of elimination and literal interpretation, Peter applies the Old Testament text to the Messiah.... David is dead; we cannot claim that he has ascended to heaven. Then, following the lead of Jesus, Peter claims that David is addressing the Messiah when he says, "The Lord [God] said to my Lord [the Messiah]" (Lk 20:41-44/Ps 110:1). When Jesus asked how David could call his descendant "Lord," he was not simply making Messiah and Lord synonymous titles. When the One who is literally exalted to the right hand of the Father is called "Lord," he is addressed as more than an honored human descendant of David. The way Jesus formulated the question implied as much. Peter, unveiling what Jesus' question hinted at, declares him to be Lord in the sense of Yahweh. Jesus is God! (See also Acts 2:21, 36, 38.)

The thief on the cross did die the same day as Jesus did....the reason why they broke the legs ..was due to the fact that the sabbath was coming up and they do not allow them to execute on the sabbath day..so by the breaking of the legs they can not raise their bodies up as they needed to get air into their lungs so they suffocated very quickly......but when they got to Jesus he was already gone no need to break his legs thus a prophecy fulfilled where it states that he will not even be broken......

2006-07-19 16:30:30 · answer #2 · answered by shiningon 6 · 0 0

Ok, Sorry, you made me have to look a bit up here. It's ok, I like the harder ones.

If I go back to the old testament at Davids own words, and then read the chaper 2 again, not just verse 34,.

Paul is re-telling the story of when David was told of Jesus'coming and his death, and of being seated at the right hand of the father.

Paul is explaining that David "saw" all this and he wasnt even in heaven (yet). Meaning David saw this in a vision, while still very much alive.

I added the "yet", to help you understand the way that Paul was speaking about it.

Hope this helps a bit.

2006-07-19 15:40:08 · answer #3 · answered by cindy 6 · 0 0

Not all of God's faithful servants will go to heaven. In fact, very few will. Those who go to heaven will serve as kings and priests, and they are a limited number (see Revelation 5:9, 10 and Revelation 14:1-3). But who will they rule as kings over?

All of God's faithful servants get everlasting life. Those who do not serve in heaven, will live forever on a paradise earth (Psalm 37:29).

The only ones who will go to heaven are those whom God selects. The selection of these began after Jesus' death (when holy spirit was poured out), so king David wasn't an option. David will be resurrected back to life on earth after the wicked have been removed (Psalm 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:21, 22)

2006-07-19 15:33:41 · answer #4 · answered by johnusmaximus1 6 · 0 0

In Acts 2:34 and 35, Peter quotes David from the books of Psalms 110:1. Jewish tradition at that time taught that the verse referred to David himself, and that he had ascended to a position of kingship in heaven. Peter is saying that David had not ascended to the position in heaven this verse speaks of in Psalms. Rather it was Jesus. He is not saying David isn't in heaven, he is saying he is not "ascended" or exaulted to a high position in heaven. One of those that is easy to misunderstand if you are not familiar with all of the scriptures.

Theives on the cross in John 19. They soilders broke the theives legs to hasten their deaths. If you can not push up with yur legs when being crucified, you die. Says they break their legs that they might "airō". Greek word that means "sail away" or "expire". Has nothing to do with them hunging them a second day. Means they died.

2006-07-19 15:49:51 · answer #5 · answered by dewcoons 7 · 0 0

It is a commom beleif for most Christians that we don't actually go to heaven till the last day, Untill that time we sleep, or some believe we go to a "waiting area" some call it paridise , the catholics call it purgatory. But in general we are alseep in Christ till judgement day.

And where did you ever hear that the thiefs were rehung, they would have merely had thier legs broken so they died faster,. They would never had been taken down and rehung latter, even if they had lived some unto the sabboth ( remember it was the Romans, not the jews killing them, And they would have just left them hanging, only because a leader of the ruling body asked for Jesus body was it given to him, if not, they would just let them hang and rot till they were tossed down and another group killed.j

It was roman custom to line the roads with people crusified and leave them hand as a reminder to others.

2006-07-19 15:39:05 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

And as Christ died, so he rose again, according to the scriptures; and that he did so we are witnesses. (3.) Here is a glance at his ascension too. As David did not rise from the dead, so neither did he ascend into the heavens, bodily, as Christ did, Act_2:34. And further, to prove that when he spoke of the resurrection he meant it of Christ, he observes that when in another psalm he speaks of the next step of his exaltation he plainly shows that he spoke of another person, and such another as was his Lord (Psa_110:1): “The Lord said unto my Lord, when he had raised him from the dead, Sit thou at my right hand, in the highest dignity and dominion there; be thou entrusted with the administration of the kingdom both of providence and grace; sit there as king, until I make thy foes either thy friends or thy footstool,” Act_2:35. Christ rose from the grave to rise higher, and therefore it must be of his resurrection that David spoke, and not his own, in the Psa_16:1; for there was no occasion for him to rise out of his grave who was not to ascend to heaven.

Concerning your second question, there is no evidence he didn't die that day. The breaking of the legs was to insure a quick death. Those who were crucified would need to push up using there legs to breathe. Breaking the legs would deter this, thus they would suffocate quickly.

2006-07-19 15:35:41 · answer #7 · answered by BrotherMichael 6 · 0 0

Judaism does not have the seen unique Sin and salvation Christianity does, so even a righteous king of Israel like David could could desire to be barred from heaven or paradise because of the fact he did no longer stay in a time whilst the atonement with the aid of Jesus could have given him salvation. does not make experience? It does not to Jews the two. So New testomony philosophy is that righteous souls could desire to the two look ahead to their salvation whilst Jesus returns and are slumbering now, or that by some potential those characters did circulate to hell and have been released on the time of the resurrection, or that a very final resurrection will ensue whilst Jesus returns. it is in user-friendly terms a literary build to make experience of the salvation concept Christianity places forth.

2016-11-02 09:18:24 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

David lost his inheritance when he committed the murder of Bathsheba's husband Uriah. He lost his exaltation therefor, he can not dwell in the presence of God. As much as David loved God and God loves David, he killed unauthorized by God and took that which wasn't his to take. David is in a lesser kingdom. Jesus did die that day and resurrected on the Sabbath, that is why they had no need to break his legs, he was surely dead.

2006-07-19 15:38:04 · answer #9 · answered by Angel 4 · 0 0

He isn't in heaven because he's dead! We don't have an immortal soul!

Those who teach an immortal soul would have us believe that when we die- the souls of the good go to heaven and the souls of the evil go to hell immediately at death- while the bodies of both good and bad, lie in their graves!

Then at the resurrection, the burning soul in hell- will be taken out of the fire, reunited with his body, judged and then be tossed back into the fire to burn forever!

Isn't that crazy! If the soul was already judged immediately upon death and rewarded to a burning hell, then why is an inanimate body, that's already rotted in the grave, be even needed?

Likewise- if righteous souls are in heaven right now and their bodies in the graves- why even a promise from the word of God, of a FUTURE resurrection, judgement and reward (of eternal life) if one gets all this instantly at death? And if the soul is already in heaven- why even the need of the body? Again- doesn't make any sense And for good reason, they have it wrong!

Look at what Paul says here VERY carefully- hopefully you have matured in the word of God to discern this precious truth:

1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have FALLEN ASLEEP in Christ HAVE PERISHED.
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
1Co 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam ALL DIE, so also in Christ shall all be MADE ALIVE.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, THEN AT HIS COMING those who belong to Christ.

Read this again! Hopefully you caught it! Especially verses 18, 21-22.

We are being told by some, that at the moment of death- our souls go immediately to heaven. Then how is it (according to verse 18) that if WE AREN'T resurrected- then we have PERISHED! This couldn't be possible if our souls were in heaven!

So then Paul goes on to say- basically, not to worry, we won't perish! Jesus is the first to be resurrected- then we will be made ALIVE at his coming (VS. 22-23).

It's pretty simple and agrees completely with everything else from Gen. - Rev.

2006-07-19 16:38:34 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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