Trinity again...?

Question

If i'm a mother, daughter and teacher
I have a child (who makes me her mother)
A father (so i am his daughter)
Students (so i'm their teacher)

1) so if God is the son? who's the son's God?
2) what is the purpose of sending his 'son' (who is himself) to earth to die for other's sins? why not forgive from where He is?
3) What or who is the holy spirit - whats the explanation of this holy ghost or spirit? apart from it or him (??) being God?

Answer 1

1) Again, you're trying to SEPARATE God and Son. Yes, Jesus had a body, but God had a special presence as Jesus. It's metaphysical, NOT physical. Jesus was both God AND man, in a very special way which is just as difficult for us to grasp as the concept of infinity.

2) It is as a sign to show us that he loves us SO MUCH that he would sacrifice his own life to be with us, just as Abraham loved God so much, that Abraham would sacrifice Issac for Him. Jesus was the NEW COVENANT: No longer would another man's blood be shed for the sake of appeasing God.

3) The Holy Spirit is quite simply the Will of God, which flows through every living thing in the universe. It is sometimes called the breath of God.

When you divide God into 3 separate entities, you are missing the whole concept of the Trinity. The Trinity is merely a description of how we believe God works through us, with us, and in us.

Answer 2

1) so if God is the son? who's the son's God?

Himself and his father.

2) what is the purpose of sending his 'son' (who is himself) to earth to die for others sins? why not forgive from where He is?

To repair the damage of evil that was introduced to the world when Adam was tempted by the snake to take the apple.Jesus gave himself so that we could again be reunited with God.

3) What or who is the holy spirit - whats the explanation of this holy ghost or spirit? apart from it or him (??) being God?

The Holy Spirit is the power of God that goes forth to do his will.
Three parts to one God. The Father in Heaven is the source of the other two.

Answer 3

THE TRINITY CONCEPT IS DECEPTION AND GOD AND JESUS IS ONE ONLY IN THE WAY THEY THINK, THE PLAN FOR MANKIND. IT IS GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS THE SON. GOD IS A FAMILY AND IS REPRODUCING HISSELF WITH THOSE WHO KEEP HIS LAWS.
It may first be noted that the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (KJ) found in older translations at 1 John 5:7 are actually spurious additions to the original text. A footnote in The Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says that these words are “not in any of the early Greek MSS [manuscripts], or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg[ate] itself.” A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce Metzger (1975, pp. 716-718), traces in detail the history of the spurious passage. It states that the passage is first found in a treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus, of the fourth century, and that it appears in Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts of the Scriptures, beginning in the sixth century. Modern translations as a whole, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include them in the main body of the text, because of recognizing their spurious nature.—RS, NE, NAB.

Other evidence of its impersonal nature. Further evidence against the idea of personality as regards the holy spirit is the way it is used in association with other impersonal things, such as water and fire (Mt 3:11; Mr 1:8); and Christians are spoken of as being baptized “in holy spirit.” (Ac 1:5; 11:16) Persons are urged to become “filled with spirit” instead of with wine. (Eph 5:18) So, too, persons are spoken of as being ‘filled’ with it along with such qualities as wisdom and faith (Ac 6:3, 5; 11:24) or joy (Ac 13:52); and holy spirit is inserted, or sandwiched in, with a number of such qualities at 2 Corinthians 6:6. It is most unlikely that such expressions would be made if the holy spirit were a divine person. As to the spirit’s ‘bearing witness’ (Ac 5:32; 20:23), it may be noted that the same thing is said of the water and the blood at 1 John 5:6-8. While some texts refer to the spirit as ‘witnessing,’ ‘speaking,’ or ‘saying’ things, other texts make clear that it spoke through persons, having no personal voice of its own. (Compare Heb 3:7; 10:15-17; Ps 95:7; Jer 31:33, 34; Ac 19:2-6; 21:4; 28:25.)

Answer 4

For the previous answerer....Um, ok- if there is no Holy Spirit in the Bibles, why did Jesus say He was sending the Holy Spirit.??? And, so WHAT if the word Trinity isn't in the Bible? Neither is the word BIBLE! Trinity is a one word term to describe a complex idea. Why do you have such a problem with that?


Now- for your question....
Since this is my original analogy.....

You left a part out- God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit.

Just as a Woman can act as Mother, mother as daughter, mother as teacher.

The woman cannot be divided. She is fully mother, fully, daughter, fully teacher. She never ceases to be any of them, but may call one role forward as needed to serve someone she cares for.

So it is with God. God cannot be divided. Why send the Son to die? Because we are stupid humans who simply did not understand the depth of God's love for us. ...the analogy here is that any real mother is willing to give up her life so her child may live. It is the highest form of love we as humans can experience from another human.


Who is the Holy Spirit? He is the teacher, or paraclete...He is the one who inspires us to seek the Truth of the Lord...the one who guides us on our faith journey...He fills us with the pure love of God and moves us to lives of faith and joy in His love.

Hope this helps!

Answer 5

There is no such thing as the Trinity

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.

Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,

Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;


Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him, why did God have to give the revelation to Jesus, if he is God? .

Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven.

A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.

Answer 6

OK, try this. God in total is God. God functioning as creator is Father/Parent/Creator. God in the flesh is Jesus/Son since in the flesh God is confined by fleshly existence laws and is slightly limited, i.e. Jesus used prayer to communicate with the rest of God's self. Only a portion of God can fit in the worldly realm so,
God's presences in the world in spirit form is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but not all of God just as, Creator/Parent/Father God is not only what God is. God is also teacher, healer, provider, comforter, savior, beginning, end and sadly even destroyer.

God wrote a set of rules for people to live by that had severe consequences for messing up. God rules are right and good and the punishment is just but God loves all who God created so as opposed to letting them face punishment God decided to take the punishment upon God's self. Thereby the Law is upheld and justice prevails but grace, mercy and forgiveness are manifest as well. i.e. all of God's love.

Answer 7

If you get answers...are you truly willing to try to understand? I hope so. Your question seems rather sporadic and on display to show the "pointlessness" of Christianity. Ok..so here are the answers to your many questions:

God is the son and he is also the God of himself. In Genesis he tells Abraham...tell them that "I AM" sent you. Basically what he is saying is that before him there was no other and that He is the only God who is the true and living God. The many miracles Moses performed on His behalf was to serve as further "proof" of His soveriegn existence and claim to this reign.

He had to send his son in the form of himself because that was the untainted form of blood he could find. When Adam and Eve committed the first sin of exposing themselves to knowledge of good and evil that would determine how they make decisions, the consistency of their blood changed. They went from being immortal to mortal. Their blood started to age and decay. Hence...anyone who sins is on the path of death....or dying not only physically, but spiritually.

So the reason why he couldn't forgive mankind without a blood sacrifice, was because it is the blood that gives life and in the blood where the first death took/ current death takes place. So blood had to be shed, even before Christ for the forgiveness of sin. Christ was the ultimate and last blood sacrifice. So with the declaration of baptism in Jesus name wherewith his blood sets us free from the consequences of sin nature, you have a new birth...one of water and blood. This is to signify birth just as it is in the natural...with water and blood.

The holy spirit is the spirit of Jesus that is meant to dwell in the spirit of man. When you receive the holy spirit....let me back up..

It is a gift. Just like any other gift, you can't receive it without accepting it. If someone "gave" you a gift, but you refuse to take it, then the gift hasn't been received. If someone gives you a gift and you pretend to accept it and really don't want it...you really haven't "received" the gift. There is a difference between taking and receiving a thing. So now you have an everlasting, all knowing, all being spirit of a pure and just God delived to mankind tthrough a person who was both God and man at the same time, tthat has the ability to dwell in you and I. Spirits of all kinds marry all of the time. You can have a spirit that is not of God being accepted by a person. For instance, you have people who are "compulsive liars" who have accepted the lying spirit into themselves and wonder why they can't stop. Same for murdering, slandering people's character, jealously, hate, hypocricy, etc. All of these things that we do even though we want to "stop" doing them, they are spiritual in nature. Paul said it perfectly, "that I don't want to do (the will of sinful nature), I do and that I would (the will of God) do, I do not, but it's the holy spirit dwelling in me that allows me do what I would (the will of God) and not do that ... that I don't (the will of sin nature)."

So now we have this spiritual gift that enables us to do God's will through the power of the blood of Jesus Christ, his son, who by the way, is also God. Just as you said you are: A mother, a daughter, and a teacher.

Answer 8

Several possible explanations for questions 1 & 3; I will not try to cover them all, just my favorite. Keep in mind that a human can never completely understand God since he is something beyond our experience.

C.S. Lewis thought that the Son was begotten by the Father in the same way as a flame begets heat & light. The light of the flame is the natural "expression" of the flame that it creates by its very existence. So, God the Son is begat by the Father by the very existence of the Father (John, in the beginning of his Gospel, refers to Jesus as the "logos" (literally "word"), or "expression" of the Father).

And C.S. Lewis theorized that God the Holy Spirit might be the spirit of love that exists between the Father and the Son. It is the nature of God that his spirit has a life and mind of its own.

Now part 2 of your question, why did Jesus come to Earth?

The answer to your question, according to Jesus himself, and the apostle Paul:

1) God came to speak to us in person, because we ignored the prophets.

2) God came in human form to show us that it wasn't unreasonable for a human to obey God's commands (Jesus did it, so the life of Jesus is proof that God is not asking us to do anything that he himself did not do). No more excuses for disobedience.

3) God made himself a human to show us once and for all that he understands our weaknesses and how we feel -- so that we can feel "confident" enough to approach "the throne of grace" in prayer when we are weak and ask God for help without fear of rejection.

4) Finally, God came in human form, because only a human could pay the penalty for human sin. The Bible teaches that it is "impossible for the blood of goats and sheep" to atone for sin. And no other human could pay the penalty for human sin, because a human would be suffering for his own sin (the Law of Moses allows only an innocent to pay the penalty for the guilty -- and only God is truly innocent, because only God is truly good).

If you want the specific Bible quotes, e-mail me and I will send the references to you when I have some free time.

Answer 9

Just out of curiosity are you by any chance Catholic?

most other religions who use the bible as a reference all admit that the holy spirit does not actually exist.

as for jesus being the son of god, technically (if god exists and it is all true) we are all gods sons.
According to the bible jesus was created the exact same way as adam was, adam was sinful, jesus wasnt, the whole human race is not perfect because adam sinned. blah blah blah blah blah

jesus wasn't actually god, he was in the same mold as god .

actually i cannot be bothered explaining this but what i will say, is I am not religious in anyway, shape or form, I do not believe any of it, i think it is all rubbish, but I still seem to know more about it than you.

Answer 10

Read the quran, it will blow you out of the water and destroy your faith, then you won't have to worry about topics like this. However, I do believe there is a God but religion is manmade and therefore flawed. Don't follow any religion, just believe theres a God who gives blessings to everyone even the most evil people in the world. He loves us all and will do his best to look after you. I know i said read the Quran, but don't, stay well clear. It took me a long time to regain some faith after reading that book, it's evil.