Take your time to think and remember there is nothing before nothing.
Let’s imagine that there is nothing in the world except GOD. Nothing exists. Totally nothing. Now Loving GOD has his grand master plan. Before anything exists “heaven, earth, evil, good, angels, Adam , eve… you named it” God already knows how it will be. Humans did not fall yet. Heaven is not even created. And GOD knows what will happen and he knows how it will happen. Notice that there is no free will yet. Completely nothing. So god sees his grand master plan and sees it “good” And he continue to proceed with that plan. Evil is not created. Dust that he will use to Create Adam is only in the plan and he knows the outcome. He still proceeds with that grand thing.
Qeustion!!!
Can any1 claim that GOD wanted any other way to be and not the way it is now?
2006-07-19 10:22:00 · 14 answers · asked by PicassoInAction 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Ppl going to the free will thing again. I don't care if its limited or not who cares.
The question that before even creating concept of free will GOD knew everything the way it will be. I said noting exist except the plan. There is nothing even to give to any1 yet since its only the plan. And GOd like it?
God had to aprove his plan before he created everything.
Amasing that ppl will give answers to anything except what was asked.
Did GOD would wanted anything different from what it is right now?
2006-07-19 10:31:32 · update #1
Some1 said example with child. Sorry i am not a god and i don't know the future.
Some1 said GOD wanted to give us love or what ever that thing you call. We don't exist yet. It's the plan and not the object.
Before first object what ever it is was created he had to know and agree to his own doing. Right?
2006-07-19 10:33:10 · update #2
Can anyone claim that.
About 2 billion of them claim that.
2006-07-19 10:26:08 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
cannot have "good" intentions with some sort of possible negative consequences. if he knew it was "good" then he would also have known it could've been bad as well. originally he wanted us all to obey and be "perfect". that was his intent. assuming he created us in his image we should've acted like him and made the proper good choices. logically if he knew how it could've been good, he would have also known how bad it could've been as well. you cannot know something is good without knowing what good is without some sort of counter to measure it by. this would prove that god is fallible. it was more wishful thinking on his part but in the end he knew we would all screw up anyways. there;s some other reason as to why he did all this if he knew down the road we'd all fu*ck it up and go against his wishes. simply bcuz he is all knowing and all powerful does not mean he is all controlling as well. free will can exist with an omnipotent being. simply bcuz you know the outcome of everything does not mean you can control it. you just know what will happen eventually. most people assume that omnipotent means over bearing and controlling, yet he gave us free will. free will would cease to exist only if he made our choices for us yet he doesn't. he allows us to choose our path, may not always be to his liking but he has the ability to stopit but then would negate our free will and make us all slaves to his commands.
2006-07-19 10:29:32 · answer #2 · answered by YOU WILL BOW TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Given the claim that God is omniscient and omnipresent you should award yourself 2 points for seeing this so clearly. If God wanted a world without Hitler he could have created the conditions back at the beginning that would have prevented Hitler's birth, or choices.
With an omniscient and omnipresent God, "free will" is a joke.
2006-07-19 10:28:06 · answer #3 · answered by bobkgin 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Nope, things are going along exactly as He planned.
Isaiah 46:10-11
I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.
From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that will I bring about;
what I have planned, that will I do.
2006-07-19 10:54:49 · answer #4 · answered by Hope 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Opinion: (christian but opinion ) Based on this hypothesis: IFGod's purpose was a man made in His image, (the power to create and rule creation) and this man's love (some call it "a family) and he wanted his man to have free will and choose to love him out of this free will, just as earthly parents and kids. and because he saw and knew everything, thus he knew man would miss it, mess it up anyway, he went right ahead and created him knowing all the events that would take place BUT not without providing a way out for man messing up and missing out, Himself was to come and do what was needed to fix man's mess. Now according to the Bible this is what God did regarding the coming of Jesus, he planned Jesus coming, and sacrifice and even foretold one way or the other in the the Bible I believe hundreds of times, the best example is Isahia 53.and it came to pass. Now there's another fact that I want to mention: The Universe keeps expanding, The Bible says that we shall rule and reign WITH Jesus, just like small Gods (yeah some won't like this, but the Bible calls us that some christians don't like it either, even Jesus said the works that he did we should be doing also and even greater, it is our responsability to get in faith and go and do it, now not Gods like dictators, or earthly kings, but as servants, serving the rest, there will be different types of"crowns" according to how you handled things here, and it says that faith works by love and without faith is impossible to please him, so whoever holds the highest office will be the most loving and faithful to serve others.
SO He needed man to create the Universe in the first place, otherwise it would be just Him and nothing.
And Yes you made me think, and I like my conclusion.
2006-07-19 11:06:46 · answer #5 · answered by Maria 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Message is quite straightforward to study. or you would possibly want to attempt the recent King James version -- it is a lot a lot less puzzling to study than the KJV. that could help you get extra out of your examining, you would possibly want to attempt the prepare of Lectio Divina. In that monastic prepare, you study the passage once and wait some seconds, then study it aloud and picture about it for a lengthy time period. Then, write down the words that are jumping out at you or those you discover significant, and mag about why you imagine those words are significant right now.
2016-11-06 20:33:56 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Can any1 claim that GOD wanted any other way to be and not the way it is now?
I believe it is DEFINTLEY possible this is just the way he knew it was going to be and yes, in turn, wanted it to be.
Im not sure, I dont know for sure, but YES, even as a Christian, I see that as a possibility.
2006-07-19 10:46:39 · answer #7 · answered by sweetie_baby 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Your parents probably are thinking the same thing.
If I only knew back then what we know now.
Gosh I hate being sarcastic.
That is not a philosophical question.
Philosophy is the love or friend of wisdom.
Your "question" is a hypothetical presumption.
I got 2 points.
2006-07-19 10:33:27 · answer #8 · answered by beedaduck 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The age old question. How can an Omnipotent God and free will both exist?
2006-07-19 10:28:40 · answer #9 · answered by October 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God wanted us to love Him.
If you choose God you show that love, if you choose anything else.... you show the opposite
Love from man requires an evil and good to choose between
Think about that
2006-07-19 10:30:22 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
We must be tested and learn how to solve problems, create unity and turn our mother giving earth into a beautiful healthy garden.
2006-07-19 10:30:25 · answer #11 · answered by prizefighterstar 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋