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Ephesians 2:8-9 For by Grace are ye saved through Faith.

2006-07-19 03:38:29 · 20 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Excellent! I love getting questions that require a knowledge of Greek, Latin and classical antiquity.

Latin:
gratia enim estis salvati per fidem et hoc non ex vobis Dei enim donum est.
Greek:
tei gar chariti este sesosmenoi dia pisteos: kai touto ouk ex humon,

English grace, Latin gratia, Greek chariti.
One should note that Jerome did not use the Latin word Charites, the word for grace given to the goddesses. Additionally one should note that chariti appears with an lower case chi not a upper case chi. This was an important distinction to the Greeks. Your assertion that the reference of chariti is to the wife of Hephestus, Charis, is completely unfounded. It displays your complete lack of knowledge of Ancient Greek.

Your assertion that this a reference to Faith from faith, fides, pisteos is unfounded as well. The only reference to Pistis that I can find are all from later sources such as Appian.

It is absolutely clear that the Author of the letter to the Ephesians did not mean the Greek goddesses of the same name based on his repeated uses of the words elsewhere in the letter and their use in objective cases rather than subjective. I sincerely doubt that we must possess the goddess faith. Like all Greek gods, she can only be at one place at one time. The concept of universal omnipotence is Judeo-Christian. In Greek cosmology, she could only be possessed by one person at a time, and it wouldn't make sense for a mortal to capture a god.

Argue this sort of thing long enough and you will come to trying to prove the existence of the trinity by mistake.
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2006-07-19 05:30:17 · answer #1 · answered by Discipulo legis, quis cogitat? 6 · 1 0

Thank you for this question. Maybe some Christians will be able to provide some realistic answers.
I am Pagan and I believe in many Goddesses and a few Gods.
Christians put Mary up the ladder and Catholics actually worship Her, but yet all of the depictations of God are male, they say only one God, but yet there is the Son, the Father, and the Holy Ghost.

2006-07-19 10:48:55 · answer #2 · answered by Sheila 4 · 0 0

Wow how miss led are you we Worship the Trinity and this is no Goddess nor is faith or grace Faith is the evidence of things unseen i think a dictionary might help you I know God will if you ask him Look up Mercy and long suffering too

2006-07-19 10:46:42 · answer #3 · answered by jamnjims 5 · 0 0

Yes Faith and Grace were worshipped as Goddesses christians may have destroyed history but somehow history comes back to haunt them

faith is a angelic one of 15
grace is a goddess who was deranked to archangel she is my cousin

2006-07-19 10:53:11 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Faith and Grace are virtues not Goddesses. Just because people name their children after these virtues does not make them a deity. People name their children Tuesday it is still a day of the week or Summer which is still a season. It is always best to read a context in its entirety before making a judgment.

2006-07-19 10:45:21 · answer #5 · answered by Suesan W 4 · 0 0

Faith and grace are not goddesses. Faith is the believing in the Lord and grace is what He has given us to be forgiven. For without the act of faith we do not gain the Lord's grace and forgiveness for our sins. It pays to read the whole Bible or at least to not take it out of context. WE onlybelieve in one God.

2006-07-19 10:46:43 · answer #6 · answered by wolfy1 4 · 0 0

Christians don't worhisp the goddesses grace and faith. You clearly don't understand that verse at all.

2006-07-19 10:50:11 · answer #7 · answered by WhatIf 4 · 0 0

sounds like the christians want to have it all including Goddess worship. they wont tell you that though they will be too busy trying to reassert themselves as *monotheistic* if christianity is monothestic whats with Satan and Jesus? Last i checked Grace and Faith were names of Goddesses:D

2006-07-19 10:42:00 · answer #8 · answered by brianna_the_angel777 4 · 0 0

Very clever, but in my Bible grace and faith aren't capitalized. They aren't goddesses but grace is what Jesus extends to us when we have faith. Hope you find what you are looking for.

2006-07-19 10:46:49 · answer #9 · answered by Chris h 2 · 0 0

Christians do not believe in a goddess. Only in Jesus Christ.

2006-07-19 10:42:16 · answer #10 · answered by Fidgit 1 · 0 0

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