Muslims - why do you consider things such as colgate toothpaste as haram?

Question

I understand they say it contains chemicals derived from animals that may be "haram.
But the fact is that the product has undergone a total chemical transformation.
Going by that logic how can you eat anything? For example plants and trees draw their sustenance from the soil and various fertilizers are added to the soil. The fertilizers can have any origin such as animal & human excretra, the parts of animals not killed as per Islamic rituals (and even dead humans in graveyards can be fertilizer for plants) etc. Then how can you justify eating plants & fruits?
Chickens are halal but most chickens eat worms, insects & things deemed to be haram.
Please note - in the world EVERYTHING is recycled. For example your urine can end up as someone else's water & vice versa.

Ludd- you have been reported. From your answer I suppose you are a muslim.

Annie- I get what you are saying. But you did not answer to the logic given by me specifically why do you eat plants which might have been fertilised by something haram.

Cute chick - suppose a pig shits near a fruit tree. Can you eat the fruit from that tree. Keep in mind that some chemicals from that **** would have been absorbed by the tree.

Answer 1

The thing is, there are certain things mentioned in the Quran as specificall and out right haram--flesh of swine, dead meat...etc. Then there are things that are "in doubt." When in doubt--go the safer way. Fruits and plants have these chemicals NATURALLY--meaning by the will of God. Toothpaste--well, we humans put those chemicals in there. I think you'll agree that this is a question of faith and abedience rather than just chemicals. We do not know whether or not God approves of chemicals derived from animals, why not avoid it altogether? It can bring us benefit since we are doing this to gain God's pleasure. Get it?
Also, it's best to stay away from the limits set by God. Meaning--if God says that haram animals are not to be eaten, why test that limit by thinking that their cheical derivatives are okay? Today we use Colgate, tomorrow we say we can eat pig soup cause it's got chemicals but no meat (lol). We shouldn't get all nit-picky about things when there are other alternatives---like crest :)

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I think I did answer your question: once again, the fruits and plants that are formed out of animal waste and byproducts are formed by GOD--He is the One who naturally created everything out of His Wisdom. We can not control the natural life cycle. He has his own methods of purification and creation. When we pick a fruit off of a tree, that fruit was made by nature. Toothpaste is man-made, and we can control what we put in it. So why argue with God and say "Hey, you put animal by-products in your fruits, how come we can't put them in our toothpaste?" Don't try to argue with God. He tells us what we can do, and we do it because He knows what is best for us. Again, it is a matter of faith.

Answer 2

You started of with ''Why masturbation is haram'' but everything you mentioned is in relation to Health, Science and Opinion. The whole point is that Masturbation is Haram, it is not permissible in Islam regardless of whether it is good Scientifically health wise etc. Second, Imam Shafi’i stated that masturbation is forbidden based on the following verses from the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): 23.5-7 Here the verses are clear in forbidding all illegal sexual acts (including masturbation) except for the wives or that their right hand possess. And whoever seeks beyond that is the transgressor I think that a Islamic Scholar knows better than you, there is additional supporting evidence from the Qu'ran and Hadith that Masturbating is not allowed in Islam.

Answer 3

Before trees and plants take up those chemicals or whatever that we add to them, you should know that they get broken down before becoming the chemicals or fertiizers added. You answered your question above by saying, that the product has overgone total chemical transformation, so it is not what it is when used as a fertilizer, etc..Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree
that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health. The toxic nature of uric acid, in the human being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that 98% of the body's uric acid is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed through urination. Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed method of animal slaughter in Islam.You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of the Almighty (GOD), makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all other veins and organs intact, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood from the body, rather than an injury to any vital organ. If the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today did our dietitians realize such a thing. Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine. Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of pork bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter 11,verse 8, regarding swine it says,
"of their flesh (of the swine another name for pig)shall you not
eat, and of their carcass you shall not touch; they are " unclean to you."
Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck, for it does not have a neck; that is according to its natural anatomy. A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck. Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork chops, ham, bacon.The medical science finds that there is a risk for various diseases as the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and potential diseases.even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid content in the blood, it is important to note that the pig's biochemistry excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content, the remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body.

Note: Islam forbids not only pork but meat of all those animals who eat their own or some one else's body waste; the most commonly known animal in this category is pig or swine whose meat is commonly known as pork.

about colgate, it probably has some thing derived from pigs or prohibited animals, and as you read above anything from such animals is purely harmful to humans. This is what I know, and from this you can reason out why islam prohibits things of the such. I hope you understand why chickens are not prohibited now, (if the chicken was slaughtered the islamic way of course).ANd you might ask if everything gets broken down, then we can eat any animal...think about it, a pig (for example) eats its or other animal wastes, so what good will it derive from that?? While a chicken who eats worms or insects as you said is eating a complete living thing, no matter what, it will derive good products from its complete body and excret the harmful ones...i hope my point is clear.

Answer 4

huh? serious? i'm a muslim and i use colgate, sensodyne and all sorts of items! but honestly, conservative muslims are ultra-senstive about things they use/consume/drink.

i mean, i do not eat pork or any meat that did not go through the muslim slaughter ritual and neither do i drink alcoholic drinks. it's really about not consuming the obvious.

and goodness me, people! be matured in your thinking! for muslims who havent seen the world like those living in maybe, say, afghanistan, may think that christianity and other religions are weird!

and, the reason why it is haram for muslims to consume pork is because WE CONSIDER it as dirty for a pig's life basically is to roll around in the mud, and because they are lazy. it might sound weird to people who know nuts about islam, but MAKE AN EFFORT TO STUDY SOMETHING BEFORE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS!

if the jews can have kosher meat, we are entitled to the halal meat rite?

Answer 5

What are you saying? I'm Muslim and I use it ... it's not Haram ... for a very good reason ... I don't eat it or drink it ... it doesn't participate in my body construction process...

And as for the other matter about things mixed with other things derived from Haram Stuff:
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Plants and trees and animals have such a system in its bodies that takes only what it needs , things that are vital to it ... that's why nothing Haram in it ... and everyone knows what this plants contains ... unless it was grown in a field contains Chemical stuff...

But as for products made by Humans ... when I buy some product ... I don't know how was it made ... but anyway I can't trust it ... God didn't tell me that eating it under any circumstances is allowed like plants and animals...

Because Plants and Animals are the work of God when these products are made by humans...

You can trust God's work ... But you can't trust Humans' work...
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And why Pork meat is Haram:
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1. Pork prohibited in the Bible:
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As Pork is prohibited in Islam, Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

2. Consumption of pork causes several diseases:
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The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science.

Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types
of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm.

It harbors in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body.

If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis.

A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die.
In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well.

This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

3. Pork has fat building material:
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Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack.

It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.

4. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth:
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The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced.

In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta are cleared by pigs.

Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions.

Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbor’s excreta.

5. Pig is the most shameless animal:
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The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate.

In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives;
I.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.

I hope I answered your question the best way I could...

With my best regards...

Answer 6

hi....

I am Muslim...but i didnt know there are some mulims who consider colgate toothpaste as haram...i mean its not haram!..DUH... its just some Muslims got some rules wrong..there are very few things that we cant eat...like pork as u know n, its just becaz of dirtines...

it happnes alot in a relegion , some of the follwers go wrong... or get sth wrong...

i think it would be better if u ask ur qustion with "why some of you...."

peace ;;)

Answer 7

Christians, why do you consider things such as gay marriage as sin?
I understand they do things you don't want to see. But the fact is that a hole is a hole is a hole. Going by that logic, how can you marry anybody? ..... IT IS A SYSTEM OF FAITH like any other religion....they all contradict each other and do not make any sense with today's knowledge......

Answer 8

i understand ur point but as it is said in colgates, there is a substance put in it that makes it impure(meaning najiss), this substance is called pepsin, n it is a chemical product which originates fro pigs!, and as u know we r banned friom eating pigs n their products too. n therefore in colgate there is a product from pigs which makes it haram for us to use it. it is also stated in our hly book the things that we r allowed to eat nm the ones that we asrent. its not only colgate that is haram, but it does consists of various things such as Lipstics n creams n etc. n ya! to go back to plants n friuts n vegetables, it is also stated in our holy book that these fruits n vegetable r to our beneficial n we r allowed to eat them and it is consuderable as the cycle of life as u said" things can decompose such as humans, animals, n when they compose, they remains turn into fossil fuels n fertilizers too. but as long as we keep in mind that these things arent banned or harram for us to eat or use!hope this comjes of use to u!

Answer 9

yeah we do but not that much. i use colgate. and i don't think toothpastes may be haram. we just eat what we should eat and we don't eat what we shouldn't eat. because the things we don't eat are all harmful for us/all the people. that's why god makes it haram for us. because he knows everything.

Answer 10

Sh*t eating P*ss drinking heretic-
Allahs will be done