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Does God know his own future decisions? If God is all-knowing he actually shouldn't have any decisions to make at all. Nor can he choose anything over something else. For that would mean that he is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. In fact, he can't even think if this is the case. Since he can't DO anything, he might as well not exist.

- ON GOD'S IMMUTABILITY - Unchangingness

2006-07-18 09:40:25 · 30 answers · asked by IRunWithScissors 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

1. If God exists, then he is immutable.
2. If God exists, then he is the creator of the universe.
3. An immutable being cannot at one time have an intention and then at a later time not have that intention.
4. For any being to create anything, prior to the creation he must have had the intention to create it, but at a later time, after the creation, no longer have the intention to create it.
5. Thus, it is impossible for an immutable being to have created anything (from 3 and 4).
6. Therefore, it is impossible for God to exist (from 1, 2, and 5)

2006-07-18 09:41:08 · update #1

30 answers

"The rod of haughtiness is in the mouth of the foolish one, but the very lips of the wise ones will guard them." Sometimes it is wiser to keep your mouth shut, then to try to prove your point. Especially when the other person is just looking for an argument.

2006-07-18 09:49:04 · answer #1 · answered by izofblue37 5 · 0 0

I am neither a Christian nor an atheist (nor an agnostic for that matter), but none of your premises are valid and certainly your conclusion fails all tests of deductive logic and is clearly not derived from even the faulty premises.

Why do you cast "God" as a sentient being, with human traits? What makes you think that God can or should "think"? Why "must" God be immutable, or anything at all that we can understand? Do you accept the possibility that God, any or all aspects, can exist with qualities that are not within our understanding or experience? Can you conceive of God as other than an old man with a beard, sitting in the sky?

Your attempt to "disprove" God by pointing to apparent inconsistencies in qualities that only you have attributed to God won't get you far, even with us non-born again types.

2006-07-18 17:09:18 · answer #2 · answered by astrocatastrophe 2 · 0 0

You think very complicate and i don't know very well to understand in english,but you today are wrong,God can enythings.I think:
First the mens decisions show the future.God sees and waits our prayes ,after that is borning The decision of God,which is allways for the good of the menkind. God is omnipotent too ,by the conjuncture,read the Old Testament(was thousand Angels in faith...)or The New Testament when Jesus tells to Pilat"I Am A Lord but not from this earth,if I have been in My Kingdom which is not here,My Father who is in Heaven ,has been send to Me many Angels to defend Me".

2006-07-18 17:07:10 · answer #3 · answered by mirna 3 · 0 0

How do know you really exist. How can you be sure that all that you see around you is nothing but your own imagination, and that your mind is just playing a trick on you. You really are not there, its only your own deception reflected from your mind. Just because you, see, you hear, you touch, you smell and you taste doesn't prove any thing. Can you prove that you exist and that you are enjoying Life as it may have been given to you by some one who perhaps isn't really there, some that doesn't really exist. Some one who is not really there. What you are reading this moment is something that isn't there. This answer has reached to you by another person who actually is not there. Your own mind is keeping playing tricks on you all the days of your life.
This is exactly the answer to your logic you have used in your question. I am not here and you are not there. This is it!

2006-07-18 17:06:45 · answer #4 · answered by lonelyspirit 5 · 0 0

God, you talking about the creator of the universe and everything, right. So, future decisions made in the future, are part of everything that God made, therefore God must exsist because he will get to make those decisions.

But to the real point, you just trying to jerk our chain, because your question is full of wholes and does not take into account the properties and abilities of the person/being who created the Universe and everything.

2006-07-18 16:52:16 · answer #5 · answered by dalstrome 1 · 0 0

The same question as "Can God create a boulder so heavy he himself could not lift it?" These questions and philosophies have been around for centuries, asking them on Yahoo! Answers isn't going to disintegrate religion.

You will most likely succeed in starting an argument as you play devil's advocate. Wait a minute, if there is no God there is no devil. If there is no devil he wouldn't need an advocate. I'm beginning to doubt if you exist or at least the cause you champion.

2006-07-18 16:49:47 · answer #6 · answered by Samuel C 2 · 0 0

YES, God Is all-knowing. This doesn't mean that he makes decisions for people.. that would make us robots. God lets us make our own choices, but since he is all-knowing he knows what we will choose before we even do it. No matter if we make the right decisions or not, God will be there for us and forgive us when we do sin. We still have to deal with the consequences of our actions, though, even after he forviges us.

2006-07-18 16:47:32 · answer #7 · answered by Nikki 2 · 0 0

God has no beginning and no end so there isn't really a future. He helps us in our day to day lives by guiding us through the hardships of life. He dosen't have to choose anything over something else because in heaven there is no wrong only right so he has no decisions to make.

2006-07-18 16:45:36 · answer #8 · answered by Jordan H 1 · 0 0

You base your results on human understanding of the words all knowing immutability.

Because we are as children, we can understand yes, and no, but we do not yet possess the ability to understand.

So if a three year olds reasoning that the earth must be flat, would make it true, then I could see your point. We do not posess the knowledge to understand GOD

2006-07-18 16:45:07 · answer #9 · answered by cindy 6 · 0 0

Your arguments are fallacious.

First, God is outside of time and the creator of time.

Second, why would you assume that us creatures could ever fully understand our creator. Using your logic, a butterfly could understand what it is like to be a human or a two dimensional object could understand what it is like to be a three dimensional object.

It is funny (yet sad) how many of us want to put limits on our creator using our God given (yet limited) intellects.

2006-07-18 16:55:22 · answer #10 · answered by rmw82 2 · 0 0

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