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when we sum up what was written on his tiara -
VICARIVS FEILII DEI
(literally, vicar of the Son of God)
[take those as Roman Numerals and convert to Arabic]
V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = 0 (no value)
R = 0 (no value)
I = 1
V = 5
S = 0 (no value)

F = 0 (no value)
E = 0 (no value)
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
E = 0 (no value)
I = 1

sums up 666!!!

How can you disprove this revelation?

2006-07-17 18:48:15 · 10 answers · asked by alexa_inc 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

10 answers

Although I am not Roman Catholic and I stand in a tradition whose confession once held the pope to be the antichrist, this assertion is utter nonsense on several counts. In the first place, the preceding response demonstrates that the bit about these words being on a tiara is simply a myth, so the whole argument is silly anyway. However, what I'm more concerned about is this penchant for misunderstanding Revelation every which way.

Revelation was written to seven real churches in the first century. It was meant to encourage believers in the first century, and it was meant to be understood by those who read it in the first century. The events described in Revelation were to occur soon after Revelation was written. Hence, all of this talk of world leaders from the twentieth century being the beast of Revelation 13 and 17 makes no sense.

Moreover, there is a lot of evidence that the beast is a symbol of the Roman Empire in general and the Roman Emperor Nero in particular. There is all sorts of information available about this. Check out the links given below.

By the way, just to clear up a common misunderstanding, nowhere in the book of Revelation will you find the term "antichrist." It is only used in the books of 1 John (2:18; 4:2-3) and 2 John (verse 7). It is a theological term for anyone who denies the incarnation, such as protognostics and docetists.

2006-07-18 23:01:59 · answer #1 · answered by Michiko 2 · 0 0

The Papal Tiara and the '666' Myth

One common myth surrounding the papal tiara involves the claim that the words Vicarius Filii Dei exist on the side of one of the tiaras.

The myth centres on the widely made claim that, when numerised (ie, when those letters in the 'title' that have roman numeral value are added together) they produce the number '666', described in the Book of Revelations as the number of the Antichrist.

This claim has been made people who believe that the pope as head of the Roman Catholic Church is the antichrist.

Four definitive sources are sometimes given:
- A protestant woman visiting Rome said she witnessed Pope Gregory XVI wearing a crown with the words on it, in or around 1832;
- Pope Gregory XVI had worn a papal tiara with these words clearly visible on it at a Pontifical High Mass during Easter 1845;
- The 'existence' of a photograph of a papal funeral at the start of the twentieth century (which probably means the funeral of Pope Leo XIII in 1903 but could possibly be Pope Pius X's in 1914) showing the words on a papal tiara.
- The tiara (with the words mentioned) is always used to crown popes, but specifically was used in 1939 to crown Eugenio Pacelli as Pope Pius XII.

The claim is demonstrably false.

Whether or not the numerised total of the letters in Vicarius Filii Dei produce the total '666' is irrelevant because no such title actually exists for the papacy or the Holy See.

While the words did feature in the Donation of Constantine (now known to be a forged document) they referred to St. Peter and not subsequent popes.

In 1832, only two tiaras existed; one from the sixteenth century and one, given by Napoleon I to Pope Pius VII in 1804. Neither contain writing.

With love in Christ.

2006-07-19 00:50:28 · answer #2 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0 0

revelations is just a bad dream, and numerology is not religion. You can make any thing add up to 666 if you try hard enough besides, you aren't using all the numbers, so that method doesn't mean anything.

2006-07-18 01:57:36 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Good mathing. Very interesting.

If 666 represents evil Evil to me is the part of us that wants to live by law and punishment. Traditions and rewards. What did the devil tempt Jesus to do? To prove who He was. When really that is not necessary. We have nothing to prove. God does not judge us by the law or our faith. We are all righteous. And living under religious law or the self righteousness of saving ourselves through our faith is only detrimental to our hearts and minds because our soul knows differently.

2006-07-18 01:54:39 · answer #4 · answered by ruletheworld 4 · 0 0

MANY important people in history have had names add up to 666 (Nero, Napoleon,etc). The Pope is a servant of God. He has the highest responsibilty>let us pray for him. He is a good man and St. Peter's inheritor to govern the catholic church on Jesus' orders.

2006-07-18 01:55:09 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Golly gee whiz, you sure are intelligent. I bet you heard that somewhere else and just felt you had to write it here didn't you? I was told to ship a free gift to you. A glass navel. that way you'll be able to see where you're going with your head up your a$$.

2006-07-18 01:57:49 · answer #6 · answered by Rollover Mikey 6 · 0 0

What happens if you convert it to German

He is a Crout I believe!

2006-07-18 01:54:25 · answer #7 · answered by whynotaskdon 7 · 0 0

I hate numerology.

2006-07-18 01:51:37 · answer #8 · answered by avik_d2000 4 · 0 0

some people have way too much time on their hands.

2006-07-18 02:04:57 · answer #9 · answered by cwenui 2 · 0 0

EXAMINE ALL NATIONS SATAN HAS POWER OVER

Gen.1:1,2; All existed as created, time evident as billions.
Gen.1:3-31[Earth a focus, 41,870 to Eden + 7,130 years to 49,000];
Water and light there[Day one to Day four, more stars light,
ground and water, perfect for grass, herbs, trees and fruit,
day five water flesh creations, day six domestic animals and in Eden
man from dust as flesh souls, life of soul is Spirit of creator Num.15:22].

ANGELS:

Gen.3:15 [Prophecy, Satan's woman Rev.17:1-6[Satan's supporters, man];
Christ Bride woman Gal.4:26; Rev.21:1-5,9,10[ Christ supports, man];

HIGHLIGHT OF ALL LOST IN EDEN TO ALL SAVED IN CHRIST REIGN

John 17:3,5,24[Jesus was with God Col.1:13-18[Jesus made first Exo.6:3];
Job 38:4-7[Angels saw earth become focus for habitation, Heb.1:6.9.10];
Gen.3:1:26; God said, Let us make man in our image and likeness for earth.
Luke 20:34-36[ angels do not die, sinned, Jude 6; wait judgement 2Pet.2:4];
EVIL EXISTED: Gen.3:21; 6:5,11[ flood ends world of evil and violence ];
EVIL A RULING FACTOR[Gen.8:21; John 8:44[Satan Eze.28:13-15];
Satan is the god of this world 2Cor.4:3,4; He has a limited time to Jesus.
Man waits for judgement Heb.9:27; 2Cor.5:10; Rom.14:9-12;
Born souls die; Psm.7:2; 49:14,15; 104:29,30; 115:15-17; 146:3,4;
Isa.26:19; Eze.18:4; 37:12-14; Dan.12:2; John 5:26-29; James 2:26;
Age a son had a son [or event], sums the time then, at hand.
Adam to flood.[130-[no Eden]-105-90-70-65-
162-65-187-182-600= ]
1656 flood + 350 Noah Gen.9:28,29; + 2 = 2008 Abraham born.
0000 Gen.12:4[Abraham age 75],10,13;15:13,16[to 4th gen & Moses];
0427 years to Abraham age 75, he gets the covenant in year 2083.
0430 years to Moses age Exo.7:7[80]; 12:40,41[430]; 1553 before Christ in #6.
0040 years to the Promised Land. Deut.1:3; 29:5; 34:7; 1513 before Christ ist in #6.
0480 years to Solomon year 4 king. 1Ki.6:1[480 years]; 1033 before Christ in #6.
0036 years [of 40], Solomon dies. 1Ki.11:42; 997 before Christ in #6.
0391 Judah Kings=Babylon #3. Matt.1:1-17[42 gen Abraham to Jesus];
3460 + 606 before Christ prophecy and to his second coming by Daniel[& John].
0000 4066 at Dan.9:24-29[The math to Christ in Rome # 6]; to age 30, Luke 3:23;
Matt.4:1-11[Jesus faces Satan in Rome #6]; year 33 Christ Jesus ascended, Acts 1:9-11;
John 3:13-17[written about year 38 to 64]; Year 98 John on Patmos in Rome #6.
[Daniel's Prophecy: Dan.4:16.23.25,32[ 7 x 360 math = 2520];
Daniel's Prophecy: Dan.12:1-7[2500]; Dan.12.9-10[2520];
2520 years [Rev.17:1-6,10-14; #1 - #5 fallen, Rome #6 is, #7 = KJV 1611 Bible.
0000 Rev.9:12-15; 16:12-16[ KJV bible 1611 + 391 = Euphrates conflict];
0150 = in 8th Matt.24:3,7,14,15,22.36-38[ Only God knows day and hour ];
6130 EDEN to Rev.20:1-6[1000 year Jesus reign]; 7,130 years after Eden.
1000 Jesus reign. Eph.3:21[ THE WORLD WITHOUT END with Jesus];
7,130 years LORD, it means, 130 Eden and all your rest day from creating???
Gen.2:2,4;Heb.4:1-13[ 7, 130 years after Eden is 7,000 years in day seven];
World with Satan in it ends,begans kingdom of Jesus unto God's kingdom .
Dan.7:25[Time, times and the dividing of time, ALSO: Time, times,
and half time. Dan.12:1-7[2500]; 8-10[2520 = Rev.12:7-12],
Dan.12:11[2x 1290 = 2580],Dan.12:12[2x 1335 = 2670];
41,870 + 3,460 + 2,520 + 150 + 1,000 + 49,000 to all is perfect.

ALL LOST IN DAY SIX IN EDEN IS SAVE BY CHRIST REIGN

Bible time is new moon to new moon, sabbath to sabbath, 360 days
with make-up to 365 in year[math 360, 1Thes.5:1-9,21; know time].
Jesus is SAVIOR OF THE WORLD, Matt.6:9-13[The Lord's prayer];
Pray to his Father, his God, in Jesus name John 14:13-15; 16:23;
Luke 16:16,17,29,32[Law & prophets to John & Jesus reign to God's reign];
Matt.22:37-40[ This is the first and great commandment Rom.13:9,10];
Jesus is Heb.9:14,16; mediator between Almighty LORD God and
POWER who has given him all power in heaven and on earth to
SAVE THE WORLD, all must be known before baptism[ ZION BRIDE ],
Matt.28:18-20[ Psm.83:18]; John 3:16[God the Father has done this];
Heb.1:1-13[Acts 2:31-35; Isa.9:6,7; The LORD God of host has done
this as the Lord was there when the foundation of the earth was laid
Heb.1:10[John 17:1-3,4,5,6-24,25,26[Jesus did all he was to do perfect from
the time he came to be the first creature created by his God and Father];
Jer.31:34; Heb.8:10,11; THEY SHALL ALL KNOW THE LORD God, Isa.12:2;
Heb.2:9,14,16[1Cor.15:22-28,51-53; Rev.20:1-6[Priest of God and Christ;
Rev.21:1-5,9,10[ Jesus to destroy Satan, death, and make all perfect again
redeemed of Jesus in new heaven thousands over new earth billions, new,
as it was before Eden for his LORD God and Father and Family, all one];

THE WORLD THAT WILL END

Rev.17:1-6,10-14[#1 - #5, #6 to #7 is full in 1914 CE, to 8th];
#01. Egypt #1 and Moses. #02. Assyria #2 and Isaiah. #03. Babylon #3 and Daniel.
#04. Cyrus #4 and Ezra. #05. Greece #5 Matt.1:1-17[14 generations to Christ];
#06. Rome #6 and Christ crucified and ascended, John on Patmos.
#07. Europe #7 and world gets the KJV 1611 bible 303 = 1914 excepted translation.
8th. Europe Americas 8th of the seven 1776 + 230 = 2006 after Christ.
Bible time is new moon to new moon, sabbath to sabbath,
360 days with make-up to 365 in year[math 360].

EGYPT TO GREECE TO JESUS TO JOHN IN ROME #6.

Egypt--#1 Eden to 2083 + 430 = 2513 + 717 = 3230 Isaiah/Hezekiah. 2Ki.
Assyria #2 Eden to 3230 + 170 = 3400[Manasseh and Josiah];2Ki.
Babylon #3 Eden to 3400 + 60 = Daniel 3460 + [606 BCE], 70 = 3530 + 3.
Cyrus-- #4 Eden to 3530 + 200 = 3730. Ezra and Nehemiah
Greece #5 Eden to 3730 + 274 = 4004 Matt.1:1-17;
Babylon 3460 + 544 = 4004 Rome/Judah + 62 Messiah born.
Rome #6. 4004 + 62 years to Messiah + 30 to Luke 3:23;
Matt.4:1-11; of Rev.17:1-6,10-14[#6, this is world with Satan];
Rev,17:1-6,10-14[#1, #2, #3, #4, #5, fallen, Rome #6 is, to #7, 8th.
Europe #7. World get KJV Bible 1611 + 303 = 1914 + 92 = 2006 CE.
Europe Americas the 8th and second coming of Jesus 150 from start
of the 1260, 42 months or 3 1/2 years of WW1.
Dan.7:25[time, times and dividing of time.
Dan 12:1-7[time, times and half time];
KJV Bible 1611 CE.

NATIONS RISE:

When did Vietnam began to be Vietnam?
Zero to greatness: #3 = 606 before Christ.
Rome #6 PLUS THE NEXT AND THE NEXT NATION
Dan.7:25[Time, times and dividing of time];
Dan.8:12-14[2300 = 1150 [ or 606 + 544 = 1150 ];
Dan.12:1-7[Time, times & half time = 2500 = 1250 [or 606 + 644 =];
606 BCE + [ 544 + 606 + 544 = ] 1694 CE bible 1611.
606 BCE + [ 644 + 606 + 644 = ] 1894 CE Michael Dan.12:1-7; + 20 Rev.12:7-12;
606 BCE + [ 654 + 606 + 654 = ] 1914 CE. WW1 to 1918[1260 - Rev.12:7-12];
606 BCE + [ 666 + 606 + 666 = ] 1938 CE. + 7 years 1939, 1940,
1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945-WW2[1272]. German Nation Hitler.
606 BCE + [ 684 + 606 + 684 = ] 1974 CE. Vietnam. Dan.12:11[1290];
606 BCE + [ 729 + 606 + 729 = ] 2064 CE. Rev.20:1-6[1000 year reign;
Dan.12:12[1335]; LAST NATION TO RISE: From 729 after Christ.
Present time after Eden 6,072 AND 2612 after #3 AND 2006 AFTER CHRIST In #6.

2006-07-18 12:32:58 · answer #10 · answered by jeni 7 · 0 0

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