Challenge to Evolutionsts...?

Question

I'd like to see anyone explain even one of my challenges in this question...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuKcdKxHV58vLFiRbEjIlR3sy6IX?qid=20060717215609AA90ZqZ

Please do NOT reply here!

Different species do not cross breed in the wild.
You will never see a wild horse mate with a wild donkey.
If you mix a horse with a donkey, you get a mule. Mules cannot reproduce after one or two generations...they become sterile and infertile.
They die out.
Genetic mutations have never and will never be proof of evolution.
What you are stating is science fiction. It will only be observed in Hollywood or on television...never in nature.
Good luck with that ;)

Also...
Guppy fish are bred in captitivity to have more color and longer tails & fins (man-made hybrids). In the wild they greatly lack the brilliance of their captive cousins.
But when you release those hybrids back into the wild they revert right back to their original wild state of little color and shorter tails & fins.
How can evolution explain that by the theory of natural selection?
Good luck with that ;)

Different species do not cross breed in the wild.
You will never see a wild horse mate with a wild donkey.
If you mix a horse with a donkey, you get a mule. Mules cannot reproduce after one or two generations...they become sterile and infertile.
They die out.
Genetic mutations have never and will never be proof of evolution.
What you are stating is science fiction. It will only be observed in Hollywood or on television...never in nature.
Good luck with that ;)

Also...
Guppy fish are bred in captitivity to have more color and longer tails & fins (man-made hybrids). In the wild they greatly lack the brilliance of their captive cousins.
But when you release those hybrids back into the wild they revert right back to their original wild state of little color and shorter tails & fins.
How can evolution explain that by the theory of natural selection?
Good luck with that ;)

EDIT

"the emotional stress or hostility which is readily apparent in your response"

LOL, so Mr. Cool-as-a-cucumber cannot even practice what he preachs. Talk about ***-uming.
Now your using personal attacks without even realizing it. That's onviously a sign of your frustration right there.
:)

I neither suffer from anything, nor am i hostile towards you. I'm just proving that your a tard who knows not what he says.
Your book smarts are no match for reality son. And the reality is, you have no evidence to back-up your fantasy claims.
Neither is it about "EGO", it's simply about TRUE-vs-FALSE.
I'm not having fun picking on you, but i do enjoy it whenever false teachings are blasted by Truth. Which is what i am doing.
You can attempt to irritate, aggravate, frustrate or intimidate but it effects me nil (notice how Mr. Intellect is now trying to resort to my tactics and style of writing...which he doesn't even comprehend...this is typical of people who have no answers and can only REACH for anything that will give them a glimmer of hope to hold onto their fantasies. Anything to give them an excuse not to believe in a higher power. Sad, very sad :(.

You're not even on the same page Sir. Ths is way over your head. You've missed the boat Senor.
Only a higher power can help you now.
But it won't stop me from destroying your weak theories...that were imagined by a perverted coke-head, opium addict who saw a few different VARITIES of finches and thought, "Oh! This must mean they change into different species over millions of years time!".
What a tard. lol

Let's see what else i can rip apart...

Yeah, notice this from National Geo...
"While the two bear species have interbred in zoos, this is the FIRST EVIDENCE of a wild polar bear-grizzly offspring."
Uhh, yeah, that's really proof of evolution.
Good luck with that ;)

In your proud attempt to prove there is an example (by the way, i've seen that article before ;),, you've done nothing to give any weight to your fantasy claims.
For if your theory were even remotely to have any chance of a shred of evidence, there should be THOUSANDS of examples...and not only in recent history, but for many millenia...which there isn't.
And, "captive environments" is not IN THE WILD.
Nice try Genius! ;)

The citrus tree...
Cross pollination and grafting of branhces are two different things.
This is a know horticultural and SCIENTIFIC fact.
The tree in question is obvious a hybrid. And you most certainly did first say it produced two different fruits.
And i quote you...
"Heck, I help and elderly woman around the house, and right in her back yard is a tree that grows both lemons and tangerines."
You then said it was a cross-pollination.
It's either cross-pollination hybrid with "lemongerines", or a a tree of either fruit with branches grafted onto it.
It cannot be both.
Therefore you are wrong.

Now, regardless whether it is one or the other, MICRO-evolution does not prove MACRO-evolution.
Many species can make slight changes or even cross breeds between two VERY SIMILIAR species in order to adapt to it's enviroment.
The case of the bears is most likely due to the extreme climactic changes in the polar region.
It does not prove your weak theory.
Neither does it prove that species will change into a new species over time. It merely proves that nature goes awry when climate and enviroment do also.

This would be the case when the Great Flood occured.
Many atheist5s and agnostics wonder how the Ark had enough room for every species. What they forget to REASEARCH is the fact that there evidently weren't as many species in his Day.
The Earth was very different before the flood.
Afterwards the earth was of a new enviroment and climate. Animals made slight changed and adaptations to survive. This is called MICRO-evolution, and is observed quite often...as Darwin did in the Galapagos.
There was also no polar reigion as we know it today. Ice caps likely did not exist as they do now.
There easily could have ben one species of bear, where today there are two...polar and grizzly (excluding other species).
Extreme climactic change could easily explain much of what confuses people like you.

Problem is, you refuse to do the research that might lead you to accept the fact that the Bible does not speak contrary to what nature reveals. Quite the opposite...nature is the expression of what the Bible teaches. But someone of your mind-set would never understand that.
You probably know less about one Book of the Bible than do on ten thousand theories taught by evolutionsts.
But it only takes knowledge on the main theme of those known theories to easily expose them.
If you have lack of knowledge on even one verse of the Bible, it can throw your unbderstanding of the entire thing off.
So please do not attempt to compare something you have no knowledge or understanding of.

Even if your little citrus tree is a true natural hybrid, it does not give any evidence of species changing into a new species. Just as the bears, it's most likely due to climate. It's also two species that are close in DNA and genetics....and an isolated case is your enemy...for there should be THOUSANDS of such examples...but there aren't.
So it's no help to your little, pathetic, fantasy theory.

Again, it's all conjecture, suppostition and wishful thinking.
Science fiction is not science fact.

Besides, if you could take such pride in "FINDING" that lone artiocle about the bears, then you should be able to do the same concerning the tree. But you did not.
So your boasting is, at best, mindless and childish chatter.

Scientific and horticultural fact is not "smoke & mirrors".
Please wake before you chew your feet off.

And you have not proven i have no understanbing of basic biology. You have only proven that i will not give in to your idea of it.
Good luck with that ;)

All your attempts to thwart what i have proven are, at best, immature, amatuer and pathetic.
Like saying a Chihuahua b*itch would die giving birth to full size pups. lol. Do you have any idea how idiotic you sound?
There are MANY cross-breeds of Chihuahuas with larger dogs. I've seen several myself.
I personally know people who own Toy Chihuahua-Jack Russell crosses. They are quite larger than the pure Chihuahua. Those, in turn, could easily be bred with a slightly larger breed...and so on and so on.
So there's another of your "educated" attempts blown to bits.
Let's see, what's next?

By the way, were you born yesterday? :)

And it doesn't take "extensive experience", it only takes knowledge, intelligence and comon sense...things you "apparently don't have".
;)

I've studied zoology and animal behaiviour all my life. Reading non-fiction is a hobby of mine.
So i think i can say with full confidence that my ability to understand the facts i rely on are sure...being extremely observant doesn't hurt either.

And i quote you...
"I'm pointing to that you think, oddly, prove exactly the opposite of what's going on."
Okay, so now i see i'm dealing with someone who lacks intelligence. I'll go a little softer now. :)

"As for guppies"...well, whadda'ya know, i bred tropical fish for years! :O

And i quote you, again...
"where such showy displays of color only make them targets"
Hmmm, i guess that explains all the other thousands of species of small fish that ARE showy...?

Man! You really were born yesterday, weren't you.
;)

Species reverting back to their original wild state does not disprove evolution?
What have you been smokin' boy!?
:p

NO SPECIES HAS EVER BEEN OBSERVED CHANGING INTO ANOTHER SPECIES...PERIOD!

Understand?

Your pathetic explanations do nothing to take away from what the Truth proves...which is...
DIFFERENT SPECIES CANNOT CROSS AND CREATE A NEW SPECIES.
Never been observed...never will be.
No matter how smart or educated you try to sound (lol), you will not change that fact.
...nor can you provide even a shred of proof.
Good luck with that ;)

c_jinnett, that was before the question (which i provided a link to at the top of this one), was ended.
Try buying a new pair glasses.
;)

Answer 1

Seriously, NO ONE CARES HOW THE WORLD STARTED. At least not how it relates to belief in Christianity. Argue all day long, you're never going to full-on prove one side over the other. And certianly if someone doesn't have enough faith to believe in God, I think you'll do nothing but bang your head against a wall here. Go pray or something.

Answer 2

You've pretty much answered your own questions. They were all stated "These animals changed through evolution, and then go into the wild, and change again in to a way that suits them better in the environment that they live in. They don't evolve though, they just become better suited! That's not evolution!!"

Foxes have been bred in captivity. When domesticated, their ears lower. They lose pigment. Why? Because the advantages to have perked ears (to hear better, for both prey and predators) as well as having a different color coat (camoflauge, protection in certain weather conditions) were not necessary in captivity, but were in the wild, they changed.

This would, in a sense, by de-evolution. Because a species can devolve, it obviously can evolve as well.

Natural selection also brings on evolution. In the area of California that I live, millions of years ago, there were two types of wolves. Canis Lupus and Canis Dirus were their names. Canis Lupus came first, and was the size of an average wolf. Years and years later, many of the Canis Lupus that moved South into Mexico and other terrain came back bigger, stronger, and more due to different conditions in climate.

Due to this, the Canis Lupus fled to the mountains as they could not manage to compete against Canis Dirus. However, Canis Dirus eventually died out, and Canis Lupis came back down from the mountains with a bit of different traits.

There's tons of proof of evolution. You just need to open your mind, and quit trying to go against something that has undeniable proof.

Quit trying to sound smart, your arguments were far from great. Anyone who cared to learn about biology would see you as being wrong.

Oh, one more point, just so I can prove you even more wrong. Look at viruses and bacteria. Why do people keep getting the common cold if our immune systems are able to fight off diseases? Bacteria are the fastes evolvers. Immune systems fight off disease, and they come back, stronger than ever. Why? They become stronger to survive against our immune system. Obviously it happens generation to generation, and the same disease or infection you have doesn't get stronger over night, however it does the next time you get it.

Think for once. Please?

Answer 3

Where in the hell am I supposed to reply if not here!?!? Personally, I think you simply don't want people to reply because you can't back up any of your assumptions with any real proof. All of your assumptions can be explained with simple scientific logic. The domesticated animals that you mentioned revert back to a wild state because they breed with their wild counterparts. The wild naturally selected genes are millions of years older than the artificially selected genes, so therefore they are more dominant. The other example that you give is the mule. Donkeys and Horses have a similar evolutionary ancestor, however they are slightly different species. Close enough to mate, but not close enough create a reproductive offspring. They don't mate in the wild, because they aren't forced to. Humans force them to, or use artificial insemination. All of your arguments are completely flawed.

Answer 4

If I could prove without the shadow of a doubt that evolution exists.. I mean with undeniable proof and evidence... would you change your beliefs???

I did not think so... So why bother trying to prove a point?

The same challenge could be placed on creationism... can it be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt with evidence?

That is why faith exists.. because with faith.. we believe...

but anyways.. I am not trying to prove a point.. I am just saying that people should just don't keep beating up the horse.. the horse is dead...

Answer 5

think you have a basic misunderstanding of science-evolution-and commen sense good luck with life-when you want answer to your statements ask for them on your question-i read your points in the other persons question and would be glad to show you the error in your thinging holler anytime i do have im and am availible-keep the peace old hippie here

Answer 6

Oh God, please forgive us for thinking. You might consider the issue of epistemology, the philosophy of knowing. That's the real issue. How do you know something?
It is clear that you know things based on tradition and faith in the teachings of your mullah.
Good luck and enjoy a life filled with the fruits of science and related technology.

Answer 7

Well obviously you never evolved because you are still a retarded little piece of crap. Why don't you crawl into a hole and die so natural selection can do its work!

Answer 8

Whoops!

Answer 9

lol @ the ugly comment

Answer 10

Did you say do or don't answer here?
I forget.