will there be a day when science finally debunks religion?

Question

There has been so many scientific discoveries that debunks certain aspects of religion. Will there be a day when we can finally shut up religious people?

Answer 1

This question related directly to the 'God of the Gaps' fallacy, also known as the 'Divine Fallacy'. A logical 'fallacy' is a flaw in thinking. Flawed thinking is an peculiar feature of Christianity.

God of the Gaps is the method of claiming God (or gods) exists by pointing to gaps in our present knowledge of how things work. For example, ancient Scandinavians who did not know what caused thunder and lightning chose to see them as evidence for their own chief deity, Thor, driving his chariot through the sky and hammering with Miolnir.

Present-day creationists and IDists employ the same method by claiming that our gaps in the knowledge of abiogenesis and evolution mean that an intelligent designer must have been involved.

The weakness of "God of the Gaps" methodology is that the existence of God is, of course, endangered every time scientists filled the gaps with knowledge. Howard J Van Till, a theistic evolutionist, warns against this risk, and proposes instead to see the whole of the evolutionary saga as a pointer to a creative and generous God, no gaps needed. Also, when science fills a gap in knowledge with observed facts, science is satisfied. Creationists, on the other hand, generally declare that, rather than filling a gap, a new piece of information simply generates two gaps, one on either side of the newly-established fact -- meaning that additional information is understood to diminish the observational base from which the theory of evolution derives, rather than to reinforce it, as more insightful commentators argue.

The God of the Gaps argument indicates enormous conceit because, by implication, a believer indicates that understanding of all there is, except those things God did, and therefore declares that a miracle is necessary to make him fail to understand. It needs hardly to be said that this belief system has little do to with observation, and much to do with blind belief in the unknown.

Some creationists (for example Werner Gitt, in Schuf Gott durch Evolution) try to refute this refutation of their arguments by saying that for them, God is not just a gap filler. But that is beside the point. For anyone switching to creationism because of the God of the Gaps argument, God would be. This is why the argument does not work.

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Early in history Gods could be found everywhere. There were gods of the sea, gods of storms, gods of forests, gods of rivers, gods of cities, and probably gods of that place under the stairs where you can't quite reach, even though there's a really useful Hoover attachment back there somewhere. When monotheistic religions appeared, they attempted to congeal these diverse gods into a single, all-powerful God Of The Universe, like so many plastic soldiers melting into one lump under a magnifying glass on a sunny day. In the case of Judeo-Christianity, this God is Jehovah. [1]

Unfortunately, Jehovah seems to be shrinking. Melting, like the Wicked Witch after being brutally attacked with a bucketful of water. God, who once shook the planet, created stars, filled oceans and populated continents and coral reefs with everything from starfish to starfruit, seems to be suffering from a case of erosion that would put the ice-worn mountains of the North to shame.

Cosmology, geology and biology are the sciences that cover pretty much everything there is. (Okay, so physicists and chemists may pull rank, but the first three divide things up into handy packages.) God was once held responsible for creating the stars in their crystal sphere, for moving the sun around the Earth, for opening and closing the windows in the sky to let the rain and snow in. For placing comets, planets and supernovae as signs, portents and landing-lights for Wise Men on camels. For the perfect order and majesty of the clean and neatly-arranged Heavens.

Sadly, God had to relinquish his control when the telescope was invented. To hide his tracks He was careful to dirty up the cosmos with great clouds of alcohol and laughing gas, dirt, bits of broken rock, and all sorts of other untidy, disordered muck. To look at it now, you'd hardly know a guiding intelligence had any hand in it at all, so good a job was done of making it appear natural. Right down to leftover radiation from the (ho ho) Big Bang.

A similarly woeful tale can be told of biology. With the theory of evolution, the gradual piecing together of the fossil record and the discovery of DNA, the Lord no longer was able to carefully direct each individual sperm to its divinely-chosen eggs, to maintain control of the flow of genes each and every time anything reproduced. There was nothing left for him to do, which probably came as a relief, what with the slimy, messy, icky nature of... well, nature.

And so it went on. God was not getting further away - just smaller and smaller. The effect can be the same, in the right light. But old Jehovah was fading away, like one of those little chalky feeding blocks you drop in the fishtank before you go on holiday. ( Of course, God was not being nibbled by fish - that would be silly! )

Geology too. When nosey geologists started digging the ground up and peering too closely at what they found, God had no choice but to call it a day and fake a load of strata, fossils, ancient coastlines, coal deposits, drifted continents and all the other paraphernalia to make it look like the Earth was an extra few billion years old. Like a pile of sweets surrounded by four-year-olds, the Lord just kept getting smaller.

And that is where we find Him today. In the cracks and gaps in our scientific knowledge. Unlike God, scientists are not omniscient, and so there are still plenty of gaps for God to hide in, and be invoked as an ideal explanation at a moments notice. The inexorable progress of science, like a bulldozer on autopilot, is slowly filling in the gaps, making poor old Jehovah vacate them and find some even more obscure hiding place.

Science cannot explain THIS, they cry, That is sure proof of God's existence and cleverness. Look what we've found, they shout, the only possible explanation is our God (as defined in edition 27a of this particular translation of the Bible). How could anyone possibly argue with such damning evidence?!?

And yet the bulldozer grinds forward, pushing heaps of fresh knowledge and understanding into the hidey-holes where gods are to be found lurking like trolls under bridges.

Strangely enough, the people who espouse this sort of deity invariably fail to acknowledge that they are insulting the very omnipotent being whose existence they try to convince us of. To say that the world works perfectly well without divine intervention, except here, here, here and over there, is to say that God is a pretty shoddy builder. He is, it seems, unable to put together something without using magic god-glue to stop it falling to pieces. My son can do better than that with his Lego! By saying that God exists because of the cracks in the universe, what does that tell us about this God? That he is incompetent; he cannot finish the job he started; he’s a cowboy builder?

To use the God-Of-The-Gaps argument is to open up your poor old deity to scientific scrutiny. If you say that proof of your God can be shown by a particular unexplained phenomenon, you’re going to be in trouble when science gets round to examining and explaining that phenomenon. Does your God vanish or die, or just scuttle over to the next Gap, like some giant cockroach when the light is switched on?

Sometime, someday, most of the important gaps will be closed, and those remaining believers who rely on this form of argument will be heard saying "Ah, but what about the mating ritual of the Venezuelan Accordion Beetle, eh? You can't explain that with your stupid test tubes, can you? Bow down and praise the Lord in apology!” The remaining believers will have to fall back on good old ignorance ("Continental drift? What's that then?"), denial ("I wouldn't believe it even if you proved it to me!") or old-fashioned faith ("The world is really as I feel it ought to be, not as it is").

Far and few, far and few, are the gaps where the deities live.

© Adrian Barnett 1999

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/WhyAtheism.htm
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/gaps.html
http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/God_of_the_Gaps

Answer 2

Religion will always be around so long as people are afraid to face the fact that life comes to an end. It has always been the way that people believe they can go on living even though the body is dead.
That's a pretty hard argument to back their belief. It might not make sense to some of us, but if it's solidly impressed into the mind I doubt it can be dislodged.

Answer 3

If you had irrefutable evidence to contradict the religious origins of the planet ...

(1) Some would be convinced.

(2) Some would claim God still made the universe and that your evidence proved nothing.


As the saying goes, "you can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." No amount of evidential proof will convince the individual determined to believe otherwise.

Answer 4

Science will eventually debunk all but the core question of "What set off the original Big Bang?"

Answer 5

No. So far Science supports all the claims of the Bible (especially the scientific laws that state that macro-evolution is not possible).

BTW- the Bible does leave room for MICRO-evolution, which is also proven by science.

Good questions, I have friends who are in the science field and I have friends who are secular archaeologists. They would all concur with me.

Answer 6

No way, Jose. You can't debunk the truth of
the Bible. Did you see where Noah's Ark has
been found? The news media didn't want to
dwell on this astounding news because it
might point to the Bible being true to it's words.

Answer 7

Nope, for a very simple reason.

Science answers the question of "how", and religion answers the question of "why". Science can't deal with the "why" questions. That's the reason we have religion in the first place.

Answer 8

Actually if you read the "Tao of Psyhics" its proves that their is more and it is scientific. But that aside, what I believe doesn't really matter. The point is people follow there religion out of faith, faith in itself is not scientific, its something they choose to believe for whatever reason, fear, need for love whatever. They believe even if there is no proof, they don't care about proof.So scientific things couldn't disprove something to someone who is not scientific.

Answer 9

Think of it this way, Douglas Adams in the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy put it like this,
When proof of God is discovered, God will cease to exist. God is something that can only be seen through Faith, and therefore if God's existence is proved, there is no such thing as faith.
Poof, God vanishes in a puff of logic.

Answer 10

there will never be a day because the more you study science, the more likely you are to believe in a religion. there is evidence out there for religion as well.

Answer 11

They'll try to, but they can't because it is true, and we will never be quiet, because as much as you hate us, we don't want you to go to hell, so we try to teach, try to save those who hate us. Science can not debunk the truth, it's the only way, may God show you, I pray you are blessed. Read hte beatitudes, they're in Matthew.