is there any historical reference other than the bible for the existence on earth of our lord Jesus Christ?

Question

if so what are they

or any holy text

Answer 1

Yes, but all they really prove is the existence of Christianity in the first century, not the existence of Jesus himself.

The most referenced is the 1st century "historian" Josephus, who wrote a paragraph about Jesus in 93 CE in his "Antiquities of the Jews", and also referred to James as the brother of Jesus. The authenticity is highly disputed even among Christian scholars. It is believed to be highly interpolated at best, and likely an outright fraud added in the early 4th century - which happens to coincide with the oldest extant copy. But even if legitimate, Josephus wrote all kinds of fantasic things and legends as if they were fact. He could not possibly have actually ever known Jesus, since he was born after the alleged death of Jesus. Origen, who wrote around 240 never mentioned Josephus in his attempts to prove the historicity of Jesus (yes, even back then there was doubt he had ever lived). So much for Josephus.

The others (Pliney the Younger, Tacitus, Seutonius, Mara Bar-Serapion, Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr, Lucian, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, ...) came much later even than Josephus and could not possibly have been writing anything other than what they knew from Christian sources.

If no-one had previously written anything about WWII, and the National Enquirer published an article about it that included stories of flying chariots (as Josephus wrote) and a brief mention of a magic man, how much weight would you give such an article in trying to determine whether or not the man mentioned actually existed?

That's the quality of proof provided by Josephus, and it only goes down hill after that.

Answer 2

No, there are no independent historical accounts of Jesus's life other than holy texts and books written by followers.

However, this does not mean he did not exist for two reasons.
First, he was born in the very outskirts of the Roman Empire in a time where Judea was just a dirt hole on the map. The Roman historical recorders had to many other Wars, stadium events, murders, and political tragedies to worry about some dead criminal carpenter from Judea claiming to be King of the Jews.

The second reason is, even if the Roman historians noticed the big uproar from the Christians BEFORE the death of Jesus, they still would not have written it down because it would have looked bad for Empire. Why would the Egyptians record the escape of the Jews in the Exodus if it would only look bad to spread the word that Egypt had lost all its slaves? Same applies for the Romans.

Hope that helps.

Answer 3

Why Roman writings / information are so significant to you? Do you discover any Roman writing / checklist approximately Muhammad (pbuh)? Any how, Jesus of Nazareth -Judea replace into no longer an significant parent for Roman Empire subsequently there could or won't be any writing. His life is measured / proved with the aid of his followers. besides Royal information have been burnt a number of cases by way of disputes and conspiracies in the ruling family. Why don’t you think Jews Books which declare killing of Jesus. And the Quran which glorifies Jesus Christ and deny Crucifixion because of the fact he replace into taken to heavens alive….as all and sundry have faith in Christianity and Islam.

Answer 4

REAL PROOF!

The Official History of The City of Rome. Stored in Milan Italy.

The Historical Writings of Josephus. ( Ancient Jewish Scholar)

see below!
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EVIDENCE THAT THE EARLIEST CHURCH IN EXISTANCE WAS JEWISH


One of the strongest evidences for this is the presence of many artifacts, clay pots, and lamps, which are engraved with what has come to be called the SEAL OF THE MESSIANIC CHURCH.

The seal has been copyrighted as " Seven Branched Candelabra/Star of David/Fish"

A book entitled "The Messianic Seal of the Jerusalem Church" by Reuven Efraim Schmalz and Raymond Robert Fischer has been published (Olim Publications, P.O. Box 2111,Tiberias, Israel.

Top of Seal see the Seven Branch Candelabra that stood before God in the Temple.

Below that, see the Star of David, which is from the 7th century BC. It is composed of two interlaced, equilateral triangles or DALTHA (D for David). "A star shall come forth from Jacob, and a scepter shall rise from Israel" Numbers 24:17.

Below the star is a fish which is an early Christian symbol in Israel. It was transported to Rome, and by 150 AD. Clement of Alexandria suggested to all his readers that they include the sign of a fish in their personal seals to identify them as Christians. Later the Greek spelling for the word fish ICHTHUS was incorporated. The first five letters of the words that spell "Jesus, Christ, God, Son, and Saviour."

In the Messianic Seal, the cross appears as the Hebrew letter TAW.

The artifacts were discovered in 1990 by Tech Oteeoos, a 90 year old Greek Orthodox monk, in the vicinity of the, what is believed to be, the original Church founded and pastored by James the Just, the half-brother of Jesus. When the actual grotto was excavated by Oteeoos, numerous inscriptions were found on the walls. The period of its use on Mount Zion could only have been from the crucifixion in 30 AD to 135AD.

For more informations ~~ http://www.thegalileeexperience.com

Answer 5

No, because all other writings will distort who Jesus truly is. There is no need for any other writings because in Revelations it plainly states if anything is added to the word (Bible) then the plagues described in the Bible will be given to that person. Now, in saying that I really would hate to be that person who wrote something else in accordance with the Bible - I do not think anyone wants the plagues of God on their own head.

Answer 6

A story about a man named Yeshu can be found in the Talmud. There is debate whether this Yeshu in the Talmud is the same Jesus who later became a Christian divinity.

According to the Talmud, Yeshu was the son of a Jewish woman named Miriam who was betrothed to a carpenter. "Betrothed" means she was legally married to him, but she was not yet living with him or having sexual relations with him. The story says that Miriam was either raped by or voluntarily slept with Pandeira, a Greek or Roman soldier. Miriam than gave birth to Yeshu, who was considered a "mamzer" (bastard), a product of an adulterous relationship. The Talmud describes Yeshu as a heretic who dabbled in sorcery and lead the people astray. Later, the Sanhedrin (the Jewish "Supreme Court") ordered Yeshu stoned to death and his dead body was hung from a tree until nightfall after his death, in accordance with the ancient Jewish punishment for heretics.

While some believe there is no connection between the Talmudic Yeshu and the Christian Jesus, others believe there is a connection. The main inconsistency between the Talmudic and Christian story is that during the time that Jesus was killed, the Romans ruled and the Sanhedrin did not have the power to impose the death penalty. Thus, some Jews believe that today's popular Christian ideas about Jesus are based on a melding of the Talmudic story of Yeshu and the historian Josephus' writing about Jesus, which included his execution by the Romans.

After Jesus' death, a group of simple fishermen and artisans, called "Nazarenes" after Jesus' hometown of Nazareth, became his followers. Jesus' brother James, headed the Nazarenes in Jerusalem for approximately thirty years, until 62 C.E. when he was also executed by the Romans. The Nazarenes observed Jewish laws, and they believed that Jesus would return soon to inaugurate God's kingdom on earth. Thus, Jesus was a founder of a religious movement, or more specifically of the sect of the Nazarenes within Judaism.

The Nazarene sect, however, did not last more than four centuries. The Romans killed many Nazarenes, for being observant Jews, during the Jewish revolt of 70 C.E. The faith of the remaining Nazarenes, who awaited Jesus to return and save them, was greatly tested by the Roman conquest.

With the weakening of the Jews and Nazarenes, early Christianity, led by Paul, flourished in the major cities of the Roman world - Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, Ephesus and Corinth. Christianity claimed Jesus as its founder and also as God incarnate. >

Claims that the Jewish historian J O S E P H U S wrote about Jesus as the messiah represent fictionalized doctoring of texts.

< Josephus' alleged positive statement about Jesus is spurious. The attestation that Jesus was the Messiah, the suggestion that he was more than human, the acceptance of his resurrection and the affirmation that his activities were foretold by the Hebrew prophets ***is a third century Christian forgery***.

Origen (c. 280) explicitly states that Josephus "did not believe in Jesus as Christ" (Contra Celsum Book 1. 47). Eusebius (c. 324), however, does know of this passage (Ecclesiastical History 1. 11).

Quoting from the Christian interpolated text of Josephus, Eusebius writes: "About the same time, there was a certain Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is proper to call him a man. This was Christ. Pilate . . . inflicted the punishment of the cross upon him . . . [but] those who had been attached to him before did not, however, cease to love him: for he appeared to them alive again on the third day, according to the holy prophets, who declared these and innumerable other wonderful things respecting him" (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 1. 11). Apparently, a change was made in the text during the interval between 280 C.E. and 324 C.E. whereby it was no longer obvious, as it was to Origen, that Josephus did not believe in Jesus.

Moreover, Josephus considers the revolutionary zealots and apocalyptic messianists responsible for the Jews' revolt against Rome and the consequent destruction of Jewish sovereignty. His loyalty to Rome and his strong sense of self-preservation would make doubtful any suggestion that he would risk his safety by affirming as Messiah a person whose followers the Imperial government held in disfavor. >

Answer 7

The Quran talks about Jesus, believe it or not. Mohammed was actually quite fond of the teachings of Jesus. Thus the call for war against the Jews

Answer 8

Yes! I Think that G-D the Father was here before Jesus was. the trinity is a catholic fib. the Father never under Jesus's rule. they are not equal Jesus has said "MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN ALL." Self was included there .first thing G-D said was "LET THERE BE LIGHT" Jesus becomes the light in the new Juresalem once a light always a light.

Answer 9

only dozens of myths of a dying/rising savior god-man that predate Christianity by up to a thousand years. All of the details of Jesus life were, taken from these stories.

Answer 10

Yes, there is in a way. Take a look at the Holy Shroud in the Vatican