Is it just me? Or is trying to explain Evolution to a creationist exactly like...?

Question

Explaining why the moon doesn't actually follow the 4 year old who says it does. After all, it APPEARS to be following him so, of course it must be.
Creationists are like this 4 year old. They believe what they believe and NO amount of scientific explanation will be sufficient for them.
They simply lack the intellectual capacity to understand.
Thankfully, most 4 year olds grow up. Now, why can't creationists?

Scotty the comic,
Your name is aptly chosen.
as for that website? Oh thanks so much for the laugh! You can't POSSIBLY expect anyone with more than a teaspoonfull of brain matter to take it seriously do you?
With that cute ducky on the banner and an article that is entitled (no sh ti I kid you not...) "
Where can we see young earth evidence?"
ROTFLMAO!!!
There is NO evidence for a young earth. Only in the minds of the sheep that believe that bronze age jewish mythology has any bearing on the real world.
You sir, are a most welcome addition to the answers I've gotten. Because you've proven my point. You ARE the 4 year old that cannot understand that the moon doesn't, in fact, follow him when he moves.
Thanks for not only proving my point, but for the laugh as well...

Answer 1

I am guessing they haven't got a clue just how retarded they sound when they say things like:

A) There is no 'missing link' between ape and man.

B) Even Darwin himself recanted his theory on his death bed.

C) It's just a theory.

And my personal favorite idiotic question...

D) If evolution is real then why don't monkeys still change into humans.

Answer 2

Creationists most often believe in faith. I believe everything was created but I do believe in evolution of a certain species. The idea that all things can adjust to different circustances and adapt is possible and has been proven. I believe that things can be created and that they might change a little over time. I don't believe we became humans from something else though. The fact that a good amount of people believe in creation is outstanding. Evolution is atill fighting to become more of a fact then a theory. The Majority Rules fact may be true in this case.
But I do agree with you. Most creationists will not even attempt a conversation about it because they believe so strongly in it.

Answer 3

Hello Yoda Green.. :)

I used to be an Atheist..so I can answer this question, for I have seen Evolution from both views. Can you say the same, if not how do you know which one is the truth or not.

Not all, but some Atheist claim, that they search for the real answers, but do they, or do they only search for what they want to hear.

For truly to search for the real answer, one must also search the possiblity of God.

One who is grown up does not to stop at just one answer,
about how the earth came to be, but explore all the explanations.

And then in doing so, you can come forward with the Truth. For the Truth is not hidden, to those that seek after it.

I had read your question just today about Darwin and the finch..that evolved. I did leave a comment, but a lot do not go back to their questions once they are answered.

So I will answer it here, because it does also answer this question.

Was Darwin right, well did he not know the scriptures, the answer is yes, he did.

This scripture from God's word was written long before Darwin was ever born.

Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.


In Jesus Most Precious Name..
With Love..In Christ..


ADDITIONAL: I am already prepared for you to call me a name..as you have in almost all of your questions that I have answered..so before you do..

I still Love you no matter what insults you hurl at me.. :)

You are in my heart and my prayers.. :)

Answer 4

You picked a curious analogy to make your point.

Your analogy of the moon following a child actually proves a point for the creationists, who all along have been arguing that the world is not as is seems - that the eyes and ears of Science are deceiving us. So, too, does a child's senses fail her when she mistakenly believes the moon is following her.

Actually, in your poor excuse of an argument, have hit upon the precise point that creationists stress: no amount of scientific explanation is sufficient because life is more than recording and observing and analyzing data - there is more to the universe than the empirical. As a scientist, are you prepared to close your mind to the possibility of other forms of truth and other means of learning and knowing?

The jury's out on who exactly needs to grow up....

Answer 5

Because evolution is significantly less glamorous and takes away their sense of entitlement. "God loves me and created me blah blah blah blah..." is much more appealing to them than evolution. Many have also dismissed evolution as being against their religion at some point in time, so accepting it later would probably be hard for them. Since we're using children as an example, think of the time around the second grade where some kids figured our that Santa did not exist. They would attempt to inform the other children of this fact. Some believed it, and some would insist that Santa did, in fact, exist regardless of what they said. Later on, many of those who insisted that Santa existed would change their viewpoint. Within a year or so, the "believers" were in the minority. Now, think of this on a grander scale over many decades. It is clear that full-on creationists are a minority, especially in scientific fields.

Answer 6

Yo... guys...

Is it me or is trying to explain Creationism to an Evolutionist like talking to a brick wall?

The only difference is that a brick wall can give me better conversation.

So... let me get this straight...

There were some atoms or molecules bla bla stuff happened bla bla they exploded and over time Earth was created. Correct? Where, pray tell, did these atoms come from? Oh that's right they were just there. Hmm... so is that hard to believe that God is "just there" and actually could have made these atoms and let the big bang happen if he wanted. Christians know he didn't. We read Genesis. The point is... your "scientific explanations" are BS.

Thank you for your time.

Answer 7

The problem with cretinists - oops, creationists - is not _what_ they think but _how_ they think and that they _don't_ think. They are afraid of considering any view other than their own out of fear it could dislodge their faith. That's true, understanding and knowledge are the biggest threats to religion, but threatening their ideas with a sledgehammer is much less likely to work than asking for permission to use the smallest chisel on it.

Explaining a scientific concept to someone unable to think rationally and logically is a fruitless endeavour. Until they understand the basics of logic and how science works, they will never understand or be willing to grasp more advance topics like the real causes of existence. Chip away at their dogma gradually. It's not the hundredth hit that breaks the stone, it's the first ninety-nine.

My way is a five step process, not progressing until they can grasp the previous concepts.

1. Begin with teaching them the difference between "positive argument" (false until proven true, or PA hereon) and "negative argument" (true until proven false, or NA). Make them understand that their belief in a "god" is NA, and that "innocent until proven guilty" is PA, and so is science.

2. Show them how to think. Try to get them to think by starting with no preconceived notions about a topic, such as a puzzle. Show them how to recognize fact from supposition, and how to organize data *first* and to hypothesize *second*.

3. Explain why science does not use the bible for reference: because it cannot be proven and tested. Get the person to realize that scientific thought is not anti-religion, but rather is based solely on what can be proven or disproven. What religious absolutists are most often taught in their faith is that anything that contradicts with their view is a threat. Make the person realize that science is not a threat to their religion, but instead something wholly independent from it.

4. Make them realize that science collects data and *then* makes assumptions, and only accepts those assumptions when they fit the evidence. Get the person to undestand that while a theory may not be proven, it does not gain wide acceptance until it withstands the rigours of testing and questions. Show them how many theories that the theist uses were once considered quackery because they were counterintuitive or went against widely held beliefs (but don't turn it into a "science v. religion" debate).

5. Finally, show the basics of evolution (or any topic). Show them how carbon dating works, how geology works (tectonics, sediments and fossils, etc.), how all the evidence is collected then hypotheses are made. Make the person realize that evolution is NOT an "anti-god" argument, but merely the only explanation that fits all the current evidence. Make the person realize that science is not arguing against the bible, but instead does not mention it because it cannot test the bible for veracity.

The most important thing they need to realize is that respecting and understanding a scientific viewpoint DOES NOT mean they have to accept it. The worst part of dogmatic thinking affects many topics (islam, abortion, gays, etc.): the religious think they don't need to understand what the opposing view thinks.

Show them that they do. Don't try to convince or convert them, show them that by understanding the opposing view they can strengthen their own. Law schools do this: they force their students to advocate and argue positions contrary to their own; many theists in law schools have difficulty with this because it's anathema to what their churches teach.

But they need to understand it. The need to know that the strongest argument is not the one that _prevents_ questioning of their views, but rather, the strongest argument is the one that can _answer_ questions of their views.

Above all, don't insult or threaten their views. They have to be willing to consider your arguments on their merit. Not *agree* with your arguments, just consider them. You would be more successful if you never change the other person's view but make them understand and able argue or even see new points from your side.

Answer 8

I agree....but I beleive that God was the creator of the evolutionary
process....some people find it difficult to find a middle ground
on these issues...on either side. Coudn't it be possible that
God did in fact begin life...but did so as a process as the scientific
theories suggest....maybe there wasn't a mishap in the universe
that started the evolutionary processes of the earth and the
human species. The scientific arena has evidence of such
but with no proof of a God...and the whole foundation of the
people who beleive in God is you don't need proof you need
faith but faith does not explain theories scientifically, so why
not have a middle ground....

Answer 9

As a biology teacher (who believes in God and evolution) I have had to have this very discussion with many people (never students, they are very accepting and open minded....even the ultra-religious ones). It's other members of the community or their parents. I believe that they cling so closely to a belief system spelled out in black and white that they fear their religion might topple if presented with contradictory information. Science taught me to believe whatever the bulk of the evidence supports, but always leave the assumption that with new information, things could change. Which is why I fully accept evolution as fact (as much as I accept gravity as fact). I don't have ANY proof of God, yet I still believe in Him. That is faith (which, by definition means a belief in something without any evidence). But if you've never really questioned your religion or read the Bible as a literal historical record, then evolution *must* be a tool of the devil. I wish I could have intelligent debates like you, but many people don't allow for discussion, they just want to preach to me. That kind of closed mindedness (which is running [or ruining] our country) scares the crap outta me.

Answer 10

Even scientists agree that studying never stops. It's a process. The answers to the questions change as man becomes ever more knowledgeable.

God's word has never changed.

Now, do you still feel like Christians are intellectually challenged? Or maybe just a little wiser.

Answer 11

You're a laugh! A real hoot, indeed. To presuppose that you, of all people, have the intellectual capacity to reign over all Christians in intelligence displays your lack of thinking power. Moreover, to your dismay, there are Christian scientists who have forgotten more than you know. Your pride is out of control. Humble yourself so you may see.

I challenge you to read through an intellectual article here and understand it. I truly don't believe you have the mental capacity to do so - no offense - its just that you speak of which you do not know and I offer proof of it, i.e, your lack of intelligence and wisdom.