Orthodox Jewish organizations admit that the Talmud.....?

Question

Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak).


For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:

"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':

1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website) June 20, 2000.

then explain to me sir!! why do you believe in such garbage?

Answer 1

im jewish

Answer 2

each thing you declare is an OUTRIGHT LIE!!!! inspite of if someone can twist the words of the Talmud to be hateful, if Jews have always understood the Talmud in a non-hateful way then the argument is incomprehensible. the genuine workout is to discover the (allegedly racist) talmudic impact on Jews and Judaism and by skill of perusing via the submit-talmudic literature we can obviously discover that this talmudic impact replaced into not racist. Is the Talmud racist or anti-gentile? No. yet neither is it a universalist manifesto. it really is a non secular record written by skill of those of the Jewish faith for others of an similar faith. It favors Judaism over different religions and gadgets down rules on a thanks to stay in both an all-Jewish society and a blended society. It legislates a thanks to create vivid Jewish communities even as nevertheless preserving comprehend for the gentile society. Universalists may have all and distinctive be dealt with precisely both and stay in non-denominational communities. even if, the Talmud, it really is in touch for the survival of the Jewish faith, ought to weigh both the comprehend for humanity and the favor for Jewish survival for the time of thousands of years of minority-status.

Answer 3

actually, the gospels record that jesus broke jewish law, and the events described in the talmud aren't about jesus. while some interpret the talmudic passages about judaism, the fact, as far as i understand it, is that the talmud never actually talks about jesus because the text of the talmud discusses events which transpired significantly before he was born.

and just to clarify, the website you mention in NOT a lubavitch website, but a website by noachide non-jews who follow the ideas of lubavich. go to the lubavitch website, itself http://www.chabad.org/ and you won't find what you quote.

Answer 4

in all honesty why do you care what Jews or the Talmud say about Jesus

what do Christians say about Muhammad or Buddha?

the difference is though that Jews have never in history gone out and killed and persecuted Christians while Christians have been doing that for the last 1700 years

Answer 5

ah, those fundamentalist whackos of all "religions". supposedly there are a number of levels for each religion, and one will be suitable for each of its practitioners. for the simpler there is fundamentalism, kind of an entry level approach. for the more sophisticated and capable there is the esoteric practice: gnosticism, sufism, kaballah. and, i would presume, something in between. the esoteric level never thumps bibles and no words of condemnation are uttered. instead practices are shared to help one get in touch with "divine" healing and enlightening energies.