Is "God" the "devils'" advocate?

Question

Does it seem to you that "God" allowed Lucifer to "fall" so we would have someone to "blame for it"? People like nemitta24
are saying that in the Job story, "God" wasn't responsible, that it was the "devil" who was to blame, the killing of his children etc....

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But then in my other question,

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people are answering that "God" controls everything. So make up your minds you people, was it the "devils" fault, or was it "God's" fault for ALLOWING the "devil" to mess with Job?

rockmanxsp; I didn't say I cared.

wwwizardcom, I never said *I* believed that he was a scapegoat. My question was "Does it seem to YOU..." Please read the question more carefully.

Answer 1

Just out of morbid curiousity, why in the seventh hell could you even *BEGIN* to care less what anybody else believes? I'm sure you've got it all figured out in your head, just like everybody else. What difference does it make what 100-odd other people believe?

And if you didn't care, your attitude sure makes it look like you do. I would think someone who didn't care wouldn't be commanding others to make up their minds, but that's just me.

Answer 2

The testament of Job shows the exact relationship that we should all have with God. I wish and hope and pray if ever that I could be like Job. "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him." What else ya gonna do? What is there that Satan can offer you but death and destruction both inward and outward...all for what deludedly appears to be a moments of unfulfilling pleasure? There is no question of fault here...its the way it is. We think, feel, choose, have pain, have pleasure...we have the whole deal and as Job chose God over himself...God knew what Job was made of and told the Devil..do you what you will, He won't turn on me. The trust is so phenominal..because Job was brilliant enough and loved God enough to realize that in truth..He was powerless to do little else then see it through and trust that God knew what He was doing, and He was right to do so. As far as being responsible...we as humans are all responsible for every action we take though temptation comes through enticement and seduction..we are given clearence to resist it...as so many have done. Job was walking with God, Enoch walked with God, David was a man after Gods own heart, Noah, Moses, Esther, Ruth and Naomi, Mary, the Diciples..all these people, men and women are ready to choose God over themselves yet they suffer and sin like the rest of us. If Adam and Eve, in their sin had turned to God and repented, asked for forgiveness..human history would have taken quite a different turn. Instead they hid in shame and then played the blame game. Eve actually tried to pull the Devil made me do it while Adam selfishly blamed Eve and even alluded that it was Gods fault. That is in actually what you are doing now. It was Adams fault and Eves fault. They had been given everything and still wanted more. They had been warned and ignored it. As well the Devil had been cursed and will see "the pit" for his part in all of this. That is why we are called by Christ to confess our sins once they are recognized..we recognize our sin by seeing and understanding Gods standard, when we fall or stumble we are forgiven and restored by the Holy Spirit. Yeah, I think God has gone all the way around again and agian providing us with a Way back to Him...the once and final being the atoning blood of His Only Son. While Satan...He's all about screwing you up, blinding you, tripping you up and he does it by our own arrogance and selfish disdain for others, yet in all his attempts..if you seek God..Satan is rendered powerless. So no...free will is not a gift...its a given. All of Gods creation has it. He's never "controlled" anyone...though He could. To me that shows some sincere benevolence, mercy and grace because He's gone to alot of trouble to provide everything for us and tolerate or constant betrayal and desire to be our own gods. I find it fantastic that He puts up with even me but I'm grateful He does, because I can do nothing and am nothing without Him. It is through Him that I live, move and have my being...and that is what Job understood. Love in Christ, ~J~ <><

Answer 3

God knows the ending before the beginning. Just because you know something doesn't mean that you always step in to stop it. I doubt that you are a parent, but have you ever let a child do something so they will get hurt a little so they will know not to do it the next time? This is usually after telling them over and over not to do it. When our children get older we know of the dangers they face and try to warn them but they don't listen. What can we do lock them up? Why do you think it is any different for your Heavenly Father?

Answer 4

When asked when the "end times" would come, Jesus said, "Only The Father knows". I guess that's where the buck stops for everything. In a world that so often functions exactly as though there were no loving God anywhere to be found (check news.google.com if you disbelieve that), I can understand why you see Satan as a scape goat for a mean spirited God.

Answer 5

Remember that God has allowed the Devil to do evil. Remember also that the Devil can not force you to do evil. He can only offer you evil. Thus if you take his offer, you come in his control. If you reject him, Devil himself becomes the reason for you to be pushed towards God, for if you reject the Devil, then you get closer to God, so Devil literally pushes the good towards God and keeps the evil ones himself.

He separates the good from the evil. Had God not created the Devil, you will not have the ability to reject evil, and thus moving towards God would be slower.

If you think about it Devil only pulls those who obey him off into his followers. If you reject him you move towards God faster.

Tests are not really tests, they are opportunities for the good to rise quicker towards God. If not, God knows how good or evil we are. He sends the tests to prove what you would do with your free will, so tomorrow you would not say he is rewarding or punishing unjustly.

I hope it makes sense.

Answer 6

one of the most concepts that human has thought about it is your question and for understanding of it you must performance a hard research and also you can refer to holy books as Koran ,bible,Torah,zorostian book that most completely of these is Koran and you understand that god gave authority to human and philosophy of Creation is this that you must Faith with devils and devils has an opportunity until end of this world and this is determined by god

Answer 7

That is not how God works as you state there he had no such plans he had a distinctly different purpose!
What Is God's Purpose?
MANY people who doubt the existence of an all-powerful, loving God ask: If God does exist, why has he allowed so much suffering and wickedness throughout history? Why does he allow the sorry state of things we see around us today? Why does he not do something to bring an end to war, crime, injustice, poverty, and other miseries that are escalating at an alarming rate in so many countries of the earth?
It is suggested by some that God created the universe, installed humans on planet Earth, and then left them to run their own affairs. According to this view, God would not be to blame for the trouble and misery that people bring upon themselves because of their greed or mismanagement.
However, others reject such a theory. For example, physics professor Conyers Herring, who acknowledges a belief in God, states: "I reject the idea of a God who long ago set a great clockwork in motion and has since been sitting back as a spectator while mankind wrestles with the puzzle. One reason for my rejection of this is that my scientific experience gives me no reason to believe that there is any 'clockwork' model of the universe that is ultimately and finally the correct one. Our scientific theories . . . will always be capable of greater and greater refinement, but I feel sure they will always prove imperfect. It is safer, I think, to have faith in the living force that makes this improvement always possible."
God Does Have a Purpose
God's original purpose was for planet Earth to be inhabited by righteous, perfect humans. The prophet Isaiah wrote: "This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited."—Isaiah 45:18.
Rather than populate the earth through the direct creation of individual humans, God purposed to fill the earth by means of procreation by humans. When Adam and Eve rebelled against God, this did not thwart his original purpose, but it did cause a necessary adjustment of some details in order for his purpose regarding humans and the earth to be fulfilled.
For about the first 6,000 years of this period, God has allowed mankind to operate independently of his direct guidance. That is what our original parents chose of their own free will. (Genesis 3:17-19; Deuteronomy 32:4, 5) This allowance of independence from God's guidance and the subsequent rule by humans instead of by God would show up man's inability to direct his own steps and his inability to govern his fellowmen successfully.
Jehovah, of course, had known this outcome in advance. He inspired Bible penmen to put it into words. For example, the prophet Jeremiah wrote: "I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."—Jeremiah 10:23.
The wise man Solomon commented on the disastrous results that follow when humans attempt to dominate their fellows, as they have over the centuries. "All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his injury."—Ecclesiastes 8:9.
However, far from "sitting back as a spectator while mankind wrestles with the puzzle," Almighty God has had good reason for allowing the passage of these thousands of years without intervening directly in the lives of the majority of mankind.

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A Good Purpose Served
The past 6,000 years of human history may seem a long time when compared with our average life span of less than 100 years. But according to God's timetable and his view of the passing of time, these thousands of years are like six days—less than one week! The apostle Peter explained: "Let this one fact not be escaping your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."—2 Peter 3:8.
Peter then goes on to counter any charge of negligence or procrastination on God's part, by adding: "Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."—2 Peter 3:9.
Thus, when the allotted years have run their course, the Creator will bring an end to the mismanagement of our beautiful planet. He will have allowed ample time for man to demonstrate his inability to govern or to bring an end to war, violence, poverty, sickness, and other causes of suffering. This will confirm by actual experience what God indicated to humans in the beginning—that they must follow divine guidance to be successful.—Genesis 2:15-17.
According to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, we now live in the final part of "the last days" of this ungodly system of things. (2 Timothy 3:1-5, 13; Matthew 24:3-14) God's toleration of human rule independent of him as well as of wickedness and suffering is nearing its end. (Daniel 2:44) Soon the greatest tribulation this world has ever witnessed will be upon us, culminating in "the war of the great day of God the Almighty," Armageddon. (Revelation 16:14, 16) This God-directed war will not destroy God's handiwork the earth, but it will "bring to ruin those ruining the earth."—Revelation 11:18.
God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years
There will be millions of survivors on earth when Armageddon has run its course. (Revelation 7:9-14) The prophecy at Proverbs 2:21, 22 will have been fulfilled: "The upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it."
God's purpose is that a special period of a thousand years will follow the righteous war of Armageddon. (Revelation 20:1-3) This will constitute the Millennial Reign of God's Son, Christ Jesus, as King of God's heavenly Kingdom. (Matthew 6:10) During this joyful Kingdom rule over the earth, countless millions will be resurrected from their sleep in death to join the millions of Armageddon survivors. (Acts 24:15) Together they will be restored to perfection, and then—at the end of the Thousand Year Reign of Christ—the earth will finally be filled with perfect men and women, all descendants of Adam and Eve. God's purpose will have been carried out gloriously and successfully.
Yes, God's purpose is to "'wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.' And the One seated on the throne said: 'Look! I am making all things new.'" (Revelation 21:4, 5) Without fail, that purpose will be fulfilled in the very near future.—Isaiah 14:24, 27.
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