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45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.
46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (There is more but I am not listing for sake of space.)

From my experience I know that Christians think it was because God had to abandon him and put all mans sin on him to make him a sacrifice. Also that he was quoting a Psalm ( 22:1 ) to show he was the prophesied.
Now this sounds more like he just realized that God wasn't there and wasn't about to save him to me.
Now my question. How do I know that the Psalm wasn't put in after? That it was not just a poem about his death seeing as the book was written over a period of time, not all at once, and placed together when the bible was made. The entire religion is based on the bible and there is no way for me to know that it is legit after all it's changes.

Don't get offended just tell me your thoughts on it.

2006-07-14 14:06:40 · 16 answers · asked by 20mommy05 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

16 answers

Boy, this one could go on for awhile. But, I'll spare you the exhaustive exegetical commentary. I think there are two questions here that are from different categories: the reason the character of Jesus quoted this Psalm and the writing of the Gospel of Matthew itself. Matthew makes comments and asides in his gospel concerning Christ's fulfillment of prophecy. (Matt. 1:2-23; 21:4). Here, however, he says that Jesus makes a blatant quotation of Scripture. Also, people apparently hear since the make comments about it immediately after. Since jesus puts it in Biblical Hebrew (and the community either spoke greek, latin or aramaic) the Jews heard "Eloi Eloi" and thought that He called for Elijah. Matthew and Mark are pointing out that the people are completely ignorant as to what is happening...this man who claims to be the messiah, the eternal son of David (and God), is quoting a significant Psalm written by David himself. I don't think the way Matthew handles this quote from Psalm suggests an any way that it was added later. I also can think of no other evidence that it was added, unless of course you assume that much of what was written about Christ was added and "made up." That would be another issue.

Also consider this...Jesus claimed that he could not be killed...he must lay down his life (John 10:11, 15, 17...especially verse 18) Every gospel makes the comment that Jesus didn't just die, but gave his spirit up (Matt 27:50; Luke 23:46; John 19:30), well, except Mark but suggests something is going on, since he cried loudly and then died (Mark 15:37). This is an interesting point which suggests that Jesus wasn't just babbling stuff, but had full control over what he said. Consider also that Jesus was giving instructions from the cross too (John 19:26-27). Also, he was aware when he had accomplished what he needed to. (John 19:28, 30)

(Mark 14:33 is also another gospel writer who mentions jesus' qutote of this)

thanks for a fun question!
:)

2006-07-14 14:52:45 · answer #1 · answered by ehneged 2 · 1 2

The Bible is a historical book, it's existance and authenticity has been documented over and over. You can get the info everywhere now, even the history channel runs programs about same.

I believe that that is what hell is all about ultimately, feeling totally abandoned by God especially when u realize that it was your decision that put u there. Accepting Jesus is so simple, just a prayer of faith. We make it complicated. He made it so simple so that no one could be lost, only if he/she chose to be.
So I believe that since Jesus became the bearer of all sin or the sins of the world, that at that particular moment, He felt what is was like to be totally abandoned by the Father. Now is hell has fire than it just does, but the fact that u r in a place where there is no second chance is a terrible idea to me. Knowing that u can never be with the Lord and that u made a mistake in not believing the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus, not religion but relationship.

2006-07-14 14:17:26 · answer #2 · answered by Karen 1 · 0 0

In Jesus' time, the Bible wasn't split into chapters and verses; that came hundreds of years later. If you wanted to cite something, you would quote enough of it so that it could be recognized. The Hebrew name for Genesis, for example, is "Bereshith," which means "In the beginning." By quoting Psalm 22, He was trying to remind people of those words; today, He could have just shouted out, "Psalm 22!"

How do we know that the psalm wasn't written afterward? Because the Bible was written over a long period of time, exactly as you have stated. It was in the Bible long before the time of Jesus, and we know that by looking at early copies of manuscripts and the writings of those who read the early manuscripts.

If the Bible came out all at once, we might doubt some of its authenticity. We know that parts of it were written hundreds of years earlier than others, and yet it all harmonizes perfectly with no contradictions. The Bible has never been changed or altered.

2006-07-14 14:14:24 · answer #3 · answered by flyersbiblepreacher 4 · 0 0

First I would like to apologize for the first two creeps that answered this question. I don't find this question offensive I have asked it my self. The answer is that this is the one time in his mortal life that Jesus was truly alone. He was taking upon him the sins of the world and the father cannot look upon sin with the least degree of tolerance so the Father had to turn his back. That done sin was paid for and we are now his, he bought us you might say. I know this is a bit long but I hope it helps.

2006-07-14 14:13:19 · answer #4 · answered by Ethan M 5 · 0 0

If He "realized" that God wasn't there, why would He ask God the question?
You're asking how you can know. OK, pray. If you prayed sincerely, from your heart, He'd show you the truth. But I don't think you're going to do that, because you've already made up your mind that the whole story is false.

2006-07-14 14:21:05 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

unforunitly this is difficult to answer as alot of the testaments were written years after the ascenion . and rely on human rememberance of the exact words. and most of the testaments are letters written by just a small number of disciples.
but as to the main question you asked. while Jesus' soul had acctepted its fate the physical body was still looking for a way to live longer and still questing the need to die.

2006-07-14 14:19:16 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

The words of Jesus on the cross in Mark convey that Jesus felt abandoned by God. Also, since Jesus' words are taken from the first lines of Psalm 22, they connect the crucifixion of Gods ultimate vindication. On the other hand, the writer of The gospel according to John wants the community-and us- to understand that Jesus is totally in charge of what happens to him and that he is able to build the community of faith from the ground up with his mother and the Beloved Disciple . In that sense, the Beloved Disciple represents each member of the community who recognizes in faith the identity of Jesus and what he came to accomplish. His earthly life can end ("it is finished") with assurance that the Advocate (Holy Spirit) will be the teacher of truth for the community as it remains faithful to Jesus and all he meant to them.

2015-03-23 10:16:25 · answer #7 · answered by James 1 · 0 0

Probably for the same reason six million Jews asked the same thing the last time the Germans back-packed across Europe

2006-07-14 14:12:39 · answer #8 · answered by iknowtruthismine 7 · 0 0

I think it is because at that point in time that Jesus asked God that is because Jesus had all of our sins in him therefore God can not look upon sin so Jesus knew that God wasn't looking upon him.

2006-07-14 14:10:17 · answer #9 · answered by YEAH 1 · 0 0

Jesus asked God why he had forsaken him because God turned his back on him in that moment. God can't abide sin, so he couldn't look at Christ. That's the answer I got. I hope it helps. :)

2006-07-14 14:11:18 · answer #10 · answered by PsychoticHobbit 1 · 0 0

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