the "Achiles Heel" Question for christians?

Question

if god created us, and something cannot coem from nothing, and god is something, then who created god?

sayingthat "god is eternal" is special pleading (remiving god from the equation so he is not subject to the answer) so please refrain from doing it.

Answer 1

Science + Christians = Bible quotes

Answer 2

This question is not unique to Christianity, in fact, nearly every origin of the universe theory breaks down at some point. The big bang believes that the universe was created when an extremely dense and hot mass exploded. But where did that mass come from? No one has been able to answer the question, where did the original stuff come from. We simply don't know, so why is the Christian answer any more or less legitimate than any other answer?

The difference between the Christian and non-christian approach is simple. To some Christians, the question of the origin of the universe is both a scientific and religious question. I am in that group. I do not see a conflict between evolution and a universe that God created. Evolution could very well be the method God used to create the universe. Now, there are other Christians that do not see it that way, and to them the question of the origin of the universe is only a religious one. And the fact that they choose to believe that way is fine with me.

My point is that neither science nor religion has all the answers, and probably never will. If that is the case, then we have to respect others' opinion. We don't have to agree with them, but we should at least be able to agree to disagree.

Answer 3

Don't look now, but the alternative is just as impossible. If something can't come from nothing, and it can't have always existed - well .... evidently were out of theories. You can't have a big bang unless there's something there to go bang.

I guess my point is that, evidently, there's something we don't understand. I don't believe in religion IN THE TRADITIONAL sense, either. But the idea that I, or any other person could possibly know everything is just as arrogant as religious folks who think they have all the answers.

For a long time, I had trouble believing that there's an ultimate destiny or intelligent design. Not because it can't be true, but because of all the crazy answers the conventional church gave me.

Moral: Just because some people have crazy explanations for things doesn't mean that there's absolutely nothing real about it anywhere. People once thought thunder was the God's yelling. Even though that's not true, the THUNDER still exists. Sometimes trusting is the best you can do. Understanding ain't happening.

Answer 4

Alright, that Question actually applies to all religions, and since the only other option for determining how the Universe came about at the moment is the big bang theory, let's ask you the same thing and see how you respond:
There are three Basic laws of matter, one of which is the law of conservation of matter, which says it can be neither created nor destroyed, so where did the universe come from? You said yourself that something can not come from nothing... It kinda does the same thing to atheism doesnt it?
Dont worry, I'm still going to answer your question.
First of all, the statement that God is something is a fallacy. God is a spiritual entity existing outside all of our primitive methods of definition. If you were to ask anyone where their spirit or soul was, they could not answer you, because it does not exist in the physical world. In the same way God does not exist, not in the human sense of the word. To exist is to be a part of existence, and all that is in existence was created by God, therefore God can not possibly be a part of it. The main error in this question lies in holding an immortal and omnipotent God to the standards of mortal, limited humans and their understanding of the natural and metaphysical worlds.

Answer 5

You might even ponder that God can do anything. So he decides to create a stone he cannot lift. But if he cannot lift it (thus cannot do something) then how can this happen?

One significant problem to begin with is that we are using the same system to describe the system, that being the concept of God and the restrictions surrounding that concept. Read "Godel Escher Bach" if you want to learn more on this or are having trouble sleeping. You can also argue that you are rejecting the correct answer (if it's correct - I don't believe in a supreme being in the first place) for no reason other than you don't like it. This goes back to the first problem in that we cannot understand the problem because we are trying to describe the problem in its own terms. You can often identify that you are in one of these conundrums when the 'answer' is open-ended or cyclic.

I would be surprised if that helped. I'm not clear on my response and I wrote it! :-)

Answer 6

Luke13:32 And He said unto them..."Go ye...and tell that fox.
Behold... I cast out devils and I do cures... today... tomorrow...
and the third day I shall be perfected."

Revelations of Jesus5:14 The Faithful and True Witness.
The Beginning of the 'Creation' of God.

Hebrews6:1 And being made perfect... He became the author of
Eternal Salvation unto all them that obey 'Him'

"Building the Perfect Beast" by Don Henely

"The Power of reason... the top of the heap.
We're the ones who kill the things... we don't eat.
Sharper than a serpants tongue... tighter than a bongo drum.
Quicker than a one night stand... slicker than a mambo band.
And now the day is come... soon 'He' will be released.
Glory Hallelujah...! We're building the Perfect Beast!
It's Olympus this time...POOlympus or bust.
For we have met the enemy... and he is us.
And now the day is come... soon 'he' will be released.
Glory Hallelujah!
Ever since we crawled out of the ocean...
and stood upright on land.
There are some things that we just don't understand.
Relieve all pain and suffering... and lift us out of the dark.
Turn us all into Methuselah.... but where are we gonna park?
The secrets of eternity... we've found the lock... and turned the key.
We're shakin' up those building blocks.
Going deeper into that box......(Pandora wouldn't like it....)
And now the day is come... soon 'he' will be released.
Glory Hallelujah...! We're building the Perfect Beast!
All the way to Malibu... from the Land of the Talking Drum.
Just look how far... look how far... we've come."

He was created(born) again in 1985

Answer 7

On earth our minds are so simple, we think that we are so intelligent, but even the most intelligent mind on earth does not compare to the mind of God. He created us, his mind is far greater than anything we could imagine.

We can not comprehend an existence without a beginning. Our life revolved around clocks, watches and alarms. Time is our guide, and it is something that we base our entire world upon. We think, how can something have no time? God has no time, his time is different. He is beyond time.
We think, how can God have a life without a birth, be an authority figure without an authority figure a God without a God?

God is that powerful. He is that great. His magnitude is that massive, he is like a mighty circle. No begging, no middle, no end.

Answer 8

According to Big Bang theory, time did not exist right away. Rather, time "evolved." It may have gone from being a physical dimension to being how we know it now. This happened right around the Big Bang. But if time did not exist before the Big Bang, then there is no "before" the Big Bang. The Universe just always existed as a singularity with no before or after. Why couldn't God be the same?

Answer 9

I'm not a Christian but it can make sense. If God is every thing, that is the same as being no thing, or not a thing, or not 1 thing. Since we can't really see, hear, taste, smell God in a sense as isolated from everything else, God is not a thing.

The concept of thing, is a word we created to help us understand, but the word is almost meaningless when applied in a such a way.

Answer 10

Subjecting the solution to the equation in that way, limits God to human philosophy or human computational reasoning. There is no way to answer the question without saying God is eternal because God cannot be confined to human limits.

Answer 11

You cant ask a question and say " but dont say this....." God is eternal and that will be the answer that you get, if you want to hear the answer or not.

God is the only one who can really create somthing. Humans cant make anything from nothing.