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What else could create something as complex as the universe? Or the human body? Think about how we are made. Every detail is covered. The ability of the body to heal cuts and other healings. The conception of and birth of a baby. I don't think some ameba or some comit could design such intelligence as the human body. What is your answer? We were created by a mold spore? A rotting leaf?

2006-07-13 02:51:09 · 12 answers · asked by pastor4themaster 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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According to your "logic", complex things needs creation. Does that mean god is more simple than say, an amoeba? More simple than a virus? Is there intelligence at all on that god being?

If god is complex, he needs a creator as well, as you are proposing with your arguments. So, we'll get in a infinite set of creators that makes me wonder, why don't pick the known and testable as the starting point, instead of the unknown and untestable?

If god doesn't need a creator, you are violating your own premise, so your proposition is false, due to inconsistencies in your arguments.

If you assume god doesn't need a creator, you are indirectly assuming the existence of what you are trying to prove that exists, so it'd be a fallacy since you are begging the question.

In conclusion, your arguments are inconsistent with your proposition, that doesn't lead to any truth. So far, there is no logical answer that leads to god without violating logical principles.

Now for those who use probability to "prove" god. The data used to calculate the probability is very limited. Now, if we use that data and estimate the probability of life starting by mere chance, the probability is very low, yet existent. If this is a FAIR experiment and we use our very limited data to estimate the probability of the existence of a living being that's eternal, omniscient and omnipresent and needs no cause, the probability is ZERO, in a fair experiment with our very limited data, the inference is that god can't exist and the better option is life starting by mere accident.

2006-07-13 03:09:58 · answer #1 · answered by Oedipus Schmoedipus 6 · 1 0

Consider this:

The human body contains billions if not trillions of complex chemical reactions, all of which are necessary in order for the machine to function.

If this were created by random chance, I implore you to test the theory.

I will give you all the parts for an automobile. Then you will toss them into a giant waste canister, which is lifted by a crane and shaken for a very long time.

Will you ever get a fully functional car, using nothing but random chance?

The car is less complicated than an organic machine. And I gave you all the exact parts necessary, in just the right amounts.

Now, make it a fair test. Scoop up a metric ton of random matter. Shake it all up in a mixing machine until a Ford F150 falls out, completely intact and in working order.

That's basically what life being formed from random chance and no intelligent planning would entail. Feel free to take a few billion years to finish your work.

While you are at it, flip a coin and have it land on it's edge a few billion times in a row. Then tell me about the likelihood of intelligent life being formed by random chance on a lifeless rock.

2006-07-13 10:01:10 · answer #2 · answered by askthepizzaguy 4 · 0 0

By ancient astronauts that came to earth and were worshiped as gods in Sumer by the salve race that they created. The slave race was created in a laboratory by mixing some of their own DNA with that of an ape woman, thus creating the planets first test tube babies which were called the Adamu which is now called Adam.

2006-07-13 10:23:49 · answer #3 · answered by cj 4 · 0 0

Behold this my Work and my Glory to bring to pass immortatility and Eternal Life of Man.+ Moses 1:39 The Pearl Of Great Price

2006-07-13 10:11:25 · answer #4 · answered by cincoabrigo 2 · 0 0

The Cosmos has an intelligent force or energy, that's obvious. The idea that ignorant, superstitious men living two or three thousand years ago accurately understood and described a deity encompassing this eternal energy is - well, basically ludicrous.

As for the rarity of life, it ain't so rare. Do the calculations yourself:
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html

2006-07-13 10:01:21 · answer #5 · answered by Sweetchild Danielle 7 · 0 0

Only God can create life, but as mankind moves towards its attempts to master life (cloning, sperm banks, etc.) God is being squeezed out of the equation. Eventually, the masses wont be moved by the concept of One God who is God over everything, because now we can do the same thing...and we are so limited, so this One God must be limited too.

2006-07-13 09:57:27 · answer #6 · answered by Mr Smith 2 · 0 0

Using your own logic and agreeing that we are so complex that something greater had to create us, then the greater thing that created us would have to have an even greater creator. And that one would have to have an even greater creator.

Why do you stop after the first step? If you are going to try to use logic then use it properly and take it to it's final step.

You are not using logic, you are using "psuedo-logic".

Try again with a real argument....

2006-07-13 09:57:22 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I agree. The only logical choice is that a higher power created all life and the entire universe.

"Billions of years" and "random chance" had nothing to do with it.

2006-07-13 09:55:02 · answer #8 · answered by Paul McDonald 6 · 0 0

Have you ever heard of natural selection? The natural selective pressures in the environment are perfectly adequate to "design" an organism to fit an ecological niche.

2006-07-13 10:17:20 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Agreed..... a higher power created everything. But can anyone say for sure who or what this higher power is without quoting some bible verse? If my higher power is the same higher power you believe in, but my higher power uses a different name, I should not be challenged or criticized or rebuked for my beliefs.

2006-07-13 09:58:56 · answer #10 · answered by Angry C 7 · 0 0

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