I've always contended that Abraham was the first "real" person in the Bible. That all previous charachters were mythologies stolen from a pre-Bible mythology, which is why we see them in other mythologies.
Since Abraham is someone I consider real, I consider the son real.
I bought a Bible on Monday. Started reading it,
Yesterday I read on Abraham, and this morning I read on Issac.
Issac had Jacob, who went and I think he's the one who had the wife Leah for 7 years, and from Leah came some kids,
There were other kids, one of whom out of the 12 sons was Judah.
I think Jacob is the one who wrestled the Angel.
So Issac is the one who went blind I think and got tricked into giving Jacob the blessing of Esau.
This is what I read this morning,
they are to me like old friends from stories I read as a child in a different Bible, one I refuse to read currently.
Is Issac real? Yes, there was a historical person. Do I know that for sure, no. I can't prove it. Not at all.
Do I believe it because its "in the Bible" as the poster above?
NO. No way. To do so is intellectual suicide.
Prove for me - there are currently 12 tribes of Israel. (Or were in "modern" times). So it is reasonable to assume the story of them is true, the 12 brothers, reasonable to assume they had a father, and that he had a father.
Reasonable based on other data, corroborated.
Did Abraham have a dad and all that stuff between him and Noah, I don't know. I tend to believe NOah isn't real, because of the other mythologies having a flood story, story of Gilgamesh comes to mind.
Thoughts on this - no Noah. No flood.
Thanks.
2006-07-12 16:49:46
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answered by Anonymous
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There is ongoing dabate about the validity of many "Biblical" figures. Some people feel that these figures represent ideals more than actual individuals. Additionally, while the Bible/Torah makes a point to maintain an uninterrupted geneology of the familes of Adam/Noah/Abram, there is a feeling that this may have been a sort of glorification by the story teller(s) for the family of the audience or the story teller himself.
With respect to the stories in Genesis, the author Ahmed Osman, in his book, "The Hebrew Pharaohs of Egypt," makes a case for Issac being the son of the ruler of Egypt, fathered at the time when the King of Egypt took Sarai as his wife, when Abram passed her off as his sister, rather than his wife.
If this theory is true, then it lends it self as an explation for many of the events in the story, as well as the importance of Issac in Hebrew history. It places Issac, and his children, in position for rulership of Egypt. Mind you, I have always believed that Abram's families interaction was with the Hyksos rulers, and not with the Thebian Princes.
2006-07-12 16:44:05
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answered by Jim T 6
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Yes, everything in the bible is real, including Issac.
He was however a very meek and mild mannered man, who only had one written record of ever getting angry, when rebeckah couldnt get pregnant and was constantly asking him why God had not given them a child, he gets upset with her.
He also favored Esau over Jacob, very openly and against Gods revelation to rebeckah while she was pregnant, however in the end he yields his self will to God and openly admits that the blessing was to be Jacobs, as God intended.
SO, a copy of abraham, no. While abraham was weak in many ways, he also was brave enough and trusting enough of God to leave a very comfortable life and set out for the desert to live in a tent with only the promise of God to comfort him.
Yes, they did both use their wives to save their hide, so to speak, but Issac never had another wife, and abraham did. No concubines for Issac, and many for abraham after sarah's death.
Many sons and daughters after sarah's death. Issac only had Jacob and Esau.
2006-07-12 16:37:36
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answered by cindy 6
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In Isaiah 40 six:10 God says: I make popular the accurate from the starting up, from historic circumstances, what remains to come back. it is glaring from this reality that God is conscious how we are going to react to any "try" so the try isn't for His sake, yet ours. it is used to bolster our faith because the accurate result will always be that God's supplies you'll come authentic. If that were no longer the case there is no try in any respect. the tale of Abraham and Isaac is an effective celebration. In Abraham's case we see his finished faith in God. There are quite a few tricks that Abraham became likely no longer as devastated as some human beings make him out to be. as an celebration in Genesis 22:5-6 Abraham informed the servants to attend even as he and Isaac went on and stated they could both come decrease back, and then they went up together. The Hebrew implies they were united, of one suggestions. And in Genesis 22: 8 Abraham informed Isaac that God became going to furnish a lamb for the providing, it truly is what occurred. yet for me the most convincing signal is in Hebrews 11:19 which says Abraham reasoned that God ought to improve Isaac from the lifeless if mandatory. The be conscious translated reasoned potential Abraham reckoned, or took under consideration the reality of God’s resurrection skill. In different words, he concept it by potential of and got here to the accurate that if God quite needed him to sacrifice Isaac, then God may resurrect him, because He had promised Abraham that one and all His supplies you may come authentic by potential of Isaac. this isn't the habit you’d anticipate from an emotionally distraught or an evil guy. maximum in all probability Abraham knew that he and Isaac were performing out a prophecy of God sacrificing His Son for our sins. It got here about on the very spot that Jesus may later be crucified. in many circumstances we detect contained in the former testomony what are called sorts and shadows. those human beings and activities foreshadow even better human beings and activities contained in the recent testomony. So Isaac became a form of Christ and Abraham's unfinished sacrifice of his only son foreshadowed God's finished sacrifice of His only Son.
2016-12-01 04:33:50
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answered by dishmon 3
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He needs a better press secretary then.
2006-07-12 16:34:02
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answered by Anonymous
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yes, he was a real person. he followed his father in many ways, and was different in many ways.
2006-07-12 16:30:41
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answered by rosends 7
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