Still nobody will answer me...maybe because you can't?

Question

I asked where evolution started and I got answers like "It started with chemicals"--so I asked "where did those chemicals come from?" and nobody could answer. They didn't know. I got tons of "I'm not sure" answers...anyone wanna give it a shot now? If you say "the big bang" started it, then who started "the big bang"? By the way, nobody created God--He has always been around and always will be.

People keep telling me to quit bashing and quit the name calling, well so far since I posted these questions I have been called a ****, ho, and an idiot so maybe you who are without sin should cast the first stone.

I may not be open minded to your anwers, but maybe you're not open minded to my questions. Seems that you aren't open minded or you wouldn't answer with name calling or your little jokey-joke answers.

Answer 1

It's all a circle, there is not beginning or end, it just is, don't worry bout it.

Answer 2

First of all the earth didn't start from any "tiny piece of dust". In fact, it orginated from a giant cloud of dust and gas, which was all drawn together by gravity to form a planet. Life, on the other hand, originated from amino acids which formed from plausible pre-biotic conditions on our planet.

However, that being said, that doesn't disprove your point, which, basically summed up says that everything has to come from a creator because we can't explain how everything came to be so long ago, how matter came into existence and so forth. Therefore, something must have created it.

BUT, is it also not possible that it was just there forever? That time existed since forever? That EVERYTHING was just there? After all, in our current system of physics, no matter can be created or destroyed, so why couldn't that have been the rule at the very beginning (if there was one at all?) So W\why does anything have to have a creator?

Let me make an analogy: People "create" things whenever they reform matter, like building schools or make babies, by a conscious will or action. We want to build a school or make a baby (or at least have sex, a conscious action). On the other hand though, what about mountains or rivers or volcanoes? Those are not consciously "created", but are only a result of naturally occuring forces. They have no reason for being, no creator to speak of.

I'm not discounting your point at all. It is a valid question. But there are more possible answers than "there must be a creator". And just to let you know, I'm not a rabid atheist or evolutionist. I'm an agnostic. So just to make sure you know I'm not just trying to shut you down, I'll say with some conviction:

God bless you.

And I hope you read this.

Answer 3

First of all, science doesn't say they have the answer to every question, they do however look for answers for every question.

Why would you expect a science lesson here? If you really wants to know type in evolution in a search and do a little reading on your own. Watch the Discovery Science Channel. It's not like religion where you can sum it up in one sentence "god did it".

Go to a museum, most of them have actual fossils you can look at that prove without a doubt the evolutionary process. It's all there to look at and then make your own decision.

Looking at evidence and making a rational decision based on that evidence takes time. It's much different than just saying "I believe" without actually having any proof. There is so much evidence out there to prove evolution that it's not called a theory anymore, it's taught as fact.

An interesting point about your question/statement

Quoting you
"If you say "the big bang" started it, then who started "the big bang"? By the way, nobody created God--He has always been around and always will be."

You accept the fact that god always existed without any proof whatsoever, yet require proof for anything involving evolution.

Do you see the irrationality of your perspective?

If not, you are wasting peoples time. When you are ready to do unbiased research look up what i recommended.

Answer 4

I think that the concept of a beginning isn't really necessarily true. Can you think of a logical reason that there needs to be a beginning to something? Other than, because? Because that's not logical. It's a just a put-it-off-because-I-don't-know-the reason answer. Why would everything need to be created? I will check back to see if you modify your question, then if you have some reasoning that makes sense for that I will try and address it.

First I want to say, you shouldn't be called names. You deserve more respect than that. I'm sorry someone did that to you. I'm not defending them, because it's not ok to call people names, and it's not productive. But if you want to know why people are calling you names, it's because you are trying to say that you have come up with some fatal flaw with science, which is first of all, extremely presumptious, and second, not true. It shows the sin of pride, as well, which I personally don't approve of. That's just me, though.

It's offensive when people who have not studied science think they have all of a sudden "found the problem" with science. It gets people riled up. Because you don't know, you've gotten a hold of some random facts (from science) put them together, and actually think that you understand it. Science isn't about facts, it's about the process of reasoning. You can quote all the facts in the world but it doesn't mean you understand how to reason, and it sure doesn't mean that you understand science.

And some people have answered your question pretty thoroughly by telling you what to study if you want to understand more, I don't know what more to tell you, good luck on your search.



No reason for thinking things need a beginning, huh? Oh well, if you come up with one, feel free to send me a message about it.

Answer 5

There is no answer to this question.

If God has always been, could you not say that the the universe has always been around - forever expanding, then collapsing to a singularity and then producing a Big Bang and starting all over again?

If God can exist without beginning or end why can't a singularity?


Question - where does God live? In what state does he exist in? Is he Physical, mental or spiritual? If the Universe did not exist before Him, where was he - there must have been something there - a place he called home? Where did that come from, was it always there?

This question is hard to answer - people have argued over this one for years. For those who believe in God there is no question where it all started. For those who do not believe in God there are nothing but questions.

One cannot fight Faith with questions and those with Faith cannot force Faith upon others. The answer is what ever you believe.

Only at the end will we know;
For those without faith at the pearly gates, will realize that they were wrong and those with faith can smile and laugh as sinners suffer.
If no pearly gates exist those without belief in God can smirk in the knowing that we only "exist to exist" no bigger purpose - a cosmic accident, and those with faith will contiune to wait for all eternity.

Hope Helps - it is only my ramblings, random thoughts rattling in my head.

Answer 6

Evolution doesn't have a discrete starting point. It is a word used to describe a natural process. Asking when evolution started is kind of like asking when the number 42 began.

The way you phrase your question seems to imply that you have a religious agenda to satisfy. Perhaps multiple people have answered your question but you are unwilling to accept any of them because they don't fit the pre-conceived one you are looking for.

In spite of what many fundamentalists would have you believe, accepting the idea that things change over time and that living organisms constantly develop new strategies for survival does not exclude the idea that God created it all. Quite the contrary, the more I learn about complex mechanisms that comprise the world we live in the harder I find it to dismiss the idea of the divine.

Answer 7

Again...The statement, what this implies there is a "God" isn't really a scientific statement but rather is a philosophical one.

A simple star made up of hydrogen fusing into helium and releasing the excess as pure energy traveling outward at the speed of light, is on the verge of dying. The core is unstable as the hydrogen burns out. The balance of gas pressure and gravity denoting the physical size of that star has been tainted and the core collapses into itself struggling for stability. As the core collapses, heat builds up until the helium is able to fuse into Carbon causing intense gas pressure resulting in the great expansion of the star. As the star grows, the surface changes color as it cools down, turning red. But the real action is happening in the core. The core searches for stability, but will never find it. The center of the core become so dense and hot that heavier elements fuse until iron is reached. Fusion past iron is impossible in a star, and it is only the 26th element on our periodic table which includes more than 105 elements. Yet here on Earth, we have an abundance of these heavier elements such as gold, nickel, zinc and mercury to name a few. The star is accelerating to a breaking point where the core can’t fuse any further and the result is an intense explosion of the outer layers. The immense energy released causes all types of atoms to combine and form these heavier elements. We all descend from these elements created in supernovas that cause these atoms to fuse together with the excess energy from the dying star’s blast. Everything in our bodies, from the calcium in our bones to the iron in our blood came from the explosions of these stars. So what does that make us? Here is a direct connection between humankind and the stars. We are more a part of this universe than just some creatures created by God, our relation to our surroundings is direct and we are in fact the universe struggling to understand itself. The physical human being can be summed up by these elements found naturally on Earth resulting from the blasts of dying stars. The mind is the inexplicable part of us that is capable of infinite possibilities.

Answer 8

There is a theory called vacuum Genesis. This theory states that the complete absence of positive energy can create and anti-globion. This is a subatomic anti-mater particle. When it entered the matter universe, it exploded ... i.e. the Big Bang.

I do not claim to understand that theory, as I only have an undergraduate degree in Physics. I would guess there are 10-20 people in the world who understand it.

That being said ... science does not talk one way or another about God. Science is the study of nature. God is super natural ... i.e. not part of science. The study of physical laws does not have to be prefect to be useful. (Issac Newton wasn't even close, but we still use his methods today because they are close enough ...)

Answer 9

"Still nobody will answer me...maybe because you can't?"

How about you? Can you explain the "God did it" theory? Why not? Oh, maybe because you can't? Wow, we have something in common!

Like I already said it's more likely that matter has always existed than god has always existed. This has nothing to do with religion and or spirituality, if you really wanted an answer, you would put this in the "Science and Mathematics" category. If abiogenesis, evolution, and the big bang theory were all proved to be 100% false, that doesn't mean "God did it". Instead of trying to find holes in our arguments, try to fix the holes in yours.

Answer 10

Look, what you are asking and claiming is not new nor is it insightful. If you really want to understand why many of us don't buy into your god did it answers...read some books dealing with philosophy of religion; namely atheism.

I can't force you to be open minded...but I can tell you the general direction to look. I use to think the answer just had to be god too...we are socialized to view the world that way. So, I've seen the world from your point of view...please look at the view of others in depth, through their own eyes, before you try to bash it as illogical. Unfortunately this will require some reading....sorry.

Answer 11

dont get too caught up in the theory of evolution. although there is a huge load of documentation to support the basic tenets of it, when you dig deeply, you find contrasting information.

for instance, the dar-weenies would like us to believe that a lizard laid an egg and of all the eggs that it layed, one was a feathered bird not unlike the modern day chicken.

first of all, if a large reptile hatched a bird, it would eat it.... :)

i dont have a problem with us being made from chemicals because we have analysed the remains of bodies and can break them down into their chemical components. getting all those chemicals to come to life is the problem...guess that soul is good for something after all.

as for God being there all the time, you are correct.....and with a word, God spoke into existence the universe, including all those chemicals.

perhaps when we reconcile the evolution and bible, we will find that God is a fantastic chemist and just added that little thing called a sould to bring the mixture to it's finished product.

-eagle